Feds Propose Making Black Boxes Standard In New Cars

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Nessal

Well in CA, I believe you technically don't need insurance to drive as long as you have a $35k deposit made to the DMV. I don't think many people know that.

Second, last I heard most people around here don't drive with insurance anyways. I believe something in the range of 25% and above.

Heck I bet at least 25% don't even have valid drivers licenses...

[midnighter]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Heck I bet at least 25% don't even have valid drivers licenses...

Wrong! Try 50%.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by midnighter

Wrong! Try 50%.

Are you one of them?

[upflying]

Originally Posted by midnighter

Wrong! Try 50%.

More like 20% of the drivers in Ca are unlicensed ,suspended or revoked.
Scary..
https://www.aaafoundation.org/sites/...archUpdate.pdf

[Vroom_vroom]

You don't need a license to turn the key..........😛

[upflying]

Does anyone feel the privacy, liberty and freedoms of Dallas Cowboy Josh Brent are being violated when police upload the EDR from his wrecked Mercedes?
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/...cid=hero_media

[wullger]

These kits http://www.cdr-system.com/catalog/kits.html are what we use at the PD here to read CDR's.

Might help dispel some of the misinformation being tossed around in this thread.

[Norm Peterson]

Robert - There's plenty of probable cause in the Josh Brent case, with intoxication, history of intoxication, and ~300 yards out of control in a 45 zone . . . in this case the EDR is only going to confirm the obvious, plus maybe a seat belt violation or two.

I think the concerns with EDR are that
(1) the amount and duration of data collected in the future will likely be more extensive than it is now
(2) there will be fewer restrictions on who has access to it

I would venture a guess that relatively few people have objected is because EDR isn't very well known and certainly not widely understood.

If voluntary EDR were a low-cost option (just enough $ to cover the costs and not add any profit), I wonder how many car buyers would have actively selected it over the last 10 or however many years.


Norm

[daveagogo1]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Go ahead, my car, my property, I'll just take it out.

Good luck with that. The EDR is under your console. It's tied in to your airbag system so no airbags would function at a minimum. Would also end up violating several different laws depending on where you live.

You could however disable the recording memory while keeping the rest of the unit intact. Some states have laws on that as well.

[upflying]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Robert - There's plenty of probable cause in the Josh Brent case, with intoxication, history of intoxication, and ~300 yards out of control in a 45 zone . . . in this case the EDR is only going to confirm the obvious, plus maybe a seat belt violation or two.

I think the concerns with EDR are that
(1) the amount and duration of data collected in the future will likely be more extensive than it is now
(2) there will be fewer restrictions on who has access to it

I would venture a guess that relatively few people have objected is because EDR isn't very well known and certainly not widely understood.

If voluntary EDR were a low-cost option (just enough $ to cover the costs and not add any profit), I wonder how many car buyers would have actively selected it over the last 10 or however many years.


Norm

Few people would voluntarily purchase an EDR option for their new car.
Some insurance companies (Progressive) are offering insurance discounts if you voluntarily install a code reader/memory into your OBDII port.
I agree, EDR was a well kept secret for the past 10 years. A GM engineer I spoke to (10 years ago) was reluctant to discuss it due to proprietary issues and privacy politics.
What upsets government is each automaker runs their own programs and EDR algorithms. Government wants uniformity so EDR's can be uploaded with one cable and one software program.
The point I was making about Josh Brent accident is that is the type of case where an EDR is uploaded. Fender benders..NOT!
We all know Brent was speeding and the EDR confirms it.

[upflying]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Go ahead, my car, my property, I'll just take it out.

After you wreck, your car belongs to the insurance co. If the EDR is missing, I reckon your insurance co may not pay you off.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by upflying

After you wreck, your car belongs to the insurance co. If the EDR is missing, I reckon your insurance co may not pay you off.

It's a risk some people take that they may regret in the future.

[daveagogo1]

Originally Posted by upflying

After you wreck, your car belongs to the insurance co. If the EDR is missing, I reckon your insurance co may not pay you off.

Would be difficult to prove anything if you simply disabled the recording memory though and left the unit in. It would still function as built. Just not record anything.

[The_Blur]

I am not going to express an opinion on this matter, but with all government regulations and proposals, I have very serious advice for everyone:

Call your elected officials and share your opinion!