FenwickHockey65's Great Thread of GM Knowledge - Page 49

GroundhogSS · 09-11-2013, 02:23 AM

The front's OK but I don't like the back end.

snizzle · 09-11-2013, 09:13 AM

Boooo the taillights are awful!!!!

NASTY99Z28 · 09-11-2013, 09:38 AM

Factory tint has really gotten dark....

CamaroSkooter · 09-11-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

So if you get rid of the middleman, (dealers) who do you take your car to for warranty work? Where do you go for test drives, or just to look at the different models or colors in person?
I can see more issues being a problem than it would solve.

You should watch the interview with Elon Musk (CEO of Tesla). He specifically addresses those worries. Effectively, there would still be brick-and-mortar stores to go to and talk with sales reps (there would also be licensed technicians for servicing and warranty work) but all of the employees would work directly for Tesla, not a franchise.

It would be almost identical to the way Apple products are sold at an Apple Store. As a customer, the process would be very similar to a normal car-buying experience at a franchise dealership, but the sales reps don't work off of commission so they're only concerned with getting you into the car that you really want.

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Dealership franchise laws get in the way of that. Tesla is only barely managing to tip-toe around them, and at least one (Texas) has banned them from selling cars.

Dealership franchise laws are archaic and have outlived their usefulness. At this point, the only purpose they serve is to prevent newcomers from threatening the major players in the automotive industry.

I cannot think of any legitimate and logical reasoning as to why an auto maker cannot sell vehicles directly to the consumer. The only reason those laws are still in place is because the big dealerships don't want to have to change the way they do business.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 09-11-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

^^^

WTH, man! lol....I "checked all threads by" and searched not seeing a damn thing. How he heck did I miss that one?!?! LOL

The countdown has begun!

You should know by now that if you want to know something new about GM, you just go to Fen's profile page and check out his new threads...Dude has little GM emblems running through his veins...

f5journal · 09-11-2013, 11:32 AM

So..Fenwick...tackle this (maybe again)

My good friend teasingly refers to my Camaro as "just a Chevrolet"

Yesterday he traded his Mercedes SUV for a 2013 crew cab GMC Denali pickup..loaded...$58Kish

So, I referred to it as "just a Chevrolet"

Then the GMC is better argument ensued.

We all know GM implies that GMC is "the truck", and GMC probably brands more types of trucks than Chev does.

Is there any difference whatsoever on like year, like configuration vehicles other than badges and grilles? Obviously they likely come down the same line. But do they maybe have higher trim levels or anything substantively different

FenwickHockey65 · 09-11-2013, 09:50 PM

It depends on how you look at it.

The GMC brand is seen as more premium to Chevrolet. It's how GM markets it and it's how the brand is sold in dealerships. In addition, packaging plays a big role in this. For example, Sierras will get more features per trim level.

That being said, the vehicles are fundamentally the same. Silverado/Sierra, Tahoe/Yukon, Suburban/Yukon XL, etc. Same platforms, usually the same powertrains/drivetrains, but sometimes different body designs.

HOWEVER: GMCs get Denali models. That brings a level of luxury above your equivalent Chevrolet.

*DGthe3* · 09-11-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Dealership franchise laws are archaic and have outlived their usefulness. At this point, the only purpose they serve is to prevent newcomers from threatening the major players in the automotive industry.

I cannot think of any legitimate and logical reasoning as to why an auto maker cannot sell vehicles directly to the consumer. The only reason those laws are still in place is because the big dealerships don't want to have to change the way they do business.

Doesn't matter how old & archaic those laws are, they still exist and they present a massive barrier for any automaker that has established themselves in the US.

FenwickHockey65 · 09-11-2013, 10:34 PM

All I'm going to say is...

Wow.

Bhobbs · 09-11-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

All I'm going to say is...

Wow.

Have you seen the new Tahoe/Suburban or are you talking about the conversation?

*Camaro_Corvette* · 09-11-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

All I'm going to say is...

Wow.

Come on Fen! Spill the beans!

FenwickHockey65 · 09-11-2013, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Have you seen the new Tahoe/Suburban or are you talking about the conversation?

Hah.

ShnOmac · 09-11-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Hah.

Not nice to keep secrets Fen....

FenwickHockey65 · 09-11-2013, 10:53 PM

Noon tomorrow guys.

Possibly midnight. I'm honestly not sure. Up to GM.

09-11-2013, 02:23 AM	#673
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09-11-2013, 11:32 AM	#678
f5journal Senior Camaro Fanatic Drives: 2011 SS/RS manual - White Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: aiken, sc Posts: 1,980	So..Fenwick...tackle this (maybe again) My good friend teasingly refers to my Camaro as "just a Chevrolet" Yesterday he traded his Mercedes SUV for a 2013 crew cab GMC Denali pickup..loaded...$58Kish So, I referred to it as "just a Chevrolet" Then the GMC is better argument ensued. We all know GM implies that GMC is "the truck", and GMC probably brands more types of trucks than Chev does. Is there any difference whatsoever on like year, like configuration vehicles other than badges and grilles? Obviously they likely come down the same line. But do they maybe have higher trim levels or anything substantively different __________________ Former '68 and '69 Z/28 Owner...........Now sporting around in a 2011 RS/SS with........Kooks LT's and cats, JRE tune, CAI, scoop, ZL1 Bumper conversion, custom ZL-1 grille, halo harness, Painted silver stripes, GM GFX, black painted lower edge of skirts and rear bumper. MGW shifter.....and now a 3.91 1LE diff

09-11-2013, 09:50 PM	#679
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2023 Expedition Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,375 View My Garage	It depends on how you look at it. The GMC brand is seen as more premium to Chevrolet. It's how GM markets it and it's how the brand is sold in dealerships. In addition, packaging plays a big role in this. For example, Sierras will get more features per trim level. That being said, the vehicles are fundamentally the same. Silverado/Sierra, Tahoe/Yukon, Suburban/Yukon XL, etc. Same platforms, usually the same powertrains/drivetrains, but sometimes different body designs. HOWEVER: GMCs get Denali models. That brings a level of luxury above your equivalent Chevrolet. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2023 Ford Expedition SSV (State-Issued)

09-11-2013, 10:34 PM	#681
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09-11-2013, 10:53 PM	#686
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2023 Expedition Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,375 View My Garage	Noon tomorrow guys. Possibly midnight. I'm honestly not sure. Up to GM. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2023 Ford Expedition SSV (State-Issued)