Firearms Section

[thegreatwhite]

im curious why no one has mentioned under the drivers seat. is there no room? havent even checked

[newagemuscle]

Originally Posted by Sigelitest

bought a holster that is made to clip under the steering wheel.

I'm in the same boat. My holster clips right under the steering wheel. I typically keep my 380 there.

[Vroom_vroom]

So I had the conundrum, pending on your carry options it can suck to drive for extended amounts of time.
Then the car lover got ahold of me. No new holes could be added and nothing that can't be removed. The only one I found was a big ugly holster for under the steering wheel.

So I made my own camaro holster that fits a variate of guns from my g23 down to the g42 and my PPK so it gives you lots of options.you don't notice it if you peek windows for something to steal( no I don't leave it in there. I will get to that.


It has a great draw position personally and when I had some jack ass with road rage try and get it of his car it was already on him under my window line.

So in nevada there is exactly three places you can't Carry, but if you go to one of them I don't like to just leave it hidden in the car so on to the next


It's a bulldog gun vault with some extensive work to it. The box itself is not all that great but it locks into its bracket where most of its safety comes from. If you get one upgrade the lock. We bought two and destroyed one to see how secure it was. The lock was the only issue. But it locks into its bracket In the trunk.

[camaronick92]

I carry a taurus pro .45 fits in the door pocket perfectly

[Taco Time]

Originally Posted by JTruck

I didn't explain well in the first post I guess. I always carry, I am just asking where everyone places their firearm when they are in their vehicle. What is tactically sound outside of a vehicle is not the same sitting down in a camaro. So I wanted to get some ideas of where people keep their firearms for quick access for road rage, etc.

Ah, fair enough. Then I'd say between the seat and console. It's very easy to access, and you can casually remove your weapon without someone else noticing.
What Vroom posted is pretty cool too.

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[JTruck]

Originally Posted by christianchevell

I work for government, I read regulations before I do anything, and ..... if your having a weapon in the vehicle in almost all states it had better be unloaded and the ammunition stored separately ....like in the trunk or if you are ever pulled over and the vehicle searched you could be in deep do-do for one, and for two the rear seat can be pulled forward while driving if necessary if your good at it though a pain and better to have a assistant to do that. Just sayin......

You haven't been to AZ then.

[Vroom_vroom]

Lol. Sounds like he lives in California......

[2013 ZL1 #7860]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

I want to get a license to carry but the crap they put you through here in Florida I just dont feel like messing with it but I also beleive by carrying a weapon you can be inviting a confrontation with someone.

If you are legally carrying concealed and it "invites confrontation" then you are doing it wrong. Either you are not actually concealing it which makes it visible to others thus inviting unwanted attention or it has a negative/aggressive physiological effect on you and probably shouldn't be carrying at all. You can't start the argument/confrontation and end it with a gun.

Originally Posted by GONIF

First , if you are serious about defending yourself a 9mm is not all that good . IMHO a 40S&W or 45acp would be far better . As far as where to keep it in the vehicle , I have a Bladtech IWB holster that I use for CCW and it fits very neatly between the console and the passenger seat at the seatbelt location ,and it is not noticeable to most folks and can very rapidly be deployed . It is in nice and snug so it won't move when your pushing it through corners with the tail out. You better be an damn good shot with a 9mm because shot placement is critical to stop a attacker with a 9mm . I know a high cap 9 is going to get the job done with the right ammo and right shot placement ,but a 40 or 45 is going to be far better . A 40S&W with a 165 grain JHP at 1220 fps or a 45acp with a 230 grain JHP at 980 fps is the hot setup for SD , drug crazed attackers ( tweekers, ) ,need to be thumped hard to stop them . You may notice no department in AZ issues the 9mm. I suggest that if you insist on the 9mm , get some Hornady critical defense ,Corbon ,or Double tap ammo . I Roll my own and have developed a load for 40 and 45 that beats the best you can buy. If you ever decide to upgrade to a 40 or 45 let me know and I will show you ( 100% legal) how to buy a firearm at wholesale with no sales tax. FYI Glocks are fine once you replace the trigger with a Ghost rocket setup ,you will be surprised how much more accurate the modified Glock becomes with a smooth semi crisp 3 to 3.5 # Ghost Rocket trigger with a decent reset .

I agree except that "the gun you always have with you is better than the BIG gun kept in your safe". I have numerous calibers, but I prefer to carry a 16oz 9mm (7 round) with 124gr HST +P and 1 reload. This gun is so small/thin it can be carried in any clothing type or weather. 9mm with modern ammo is an excellent defensive round that gives 80-90% of the ballistics of older .357 magnums but with more capacity and a smaller (narrower) package. I would love to have my .45 acp on me but the reality is that thing is heavy and hard to conceal everyday.

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

My 380 with Frangable bullets can damage you worse than anyting, all I need to do is hit the siliouette and your going down. Not about the large caliber bullets anymore. I carry the Frangables so the bullet does not hit whatever its going through. For example through the target and unintentionally hit the next unwitting person. Frangable bullet hit to the center mass, will pretty much require an organ transplant.

.380 is better than no gun at all but I would trust a .380 for self defense only when the size of the gun needs to be as small as possible. I would never trust a frangible .380 round (or any other pistol caliber) to defend myself. That will penetrate 2-3 inches at best and will require more rounds to knock the attacker down than the .380 magazine likely holds. In .380 you want the bullet to penetrate as deep as possible and stay in one piece. If shot placement and over penetration are a concern than maybe the shot is not worth taking? (IMO .380 will rarely, if ever, over penetrate to cause concern)

Originally Posted by GONIF

Glad your happy with it , but 380's are sub par with any ammo . After 50 years of experience in the firearms industry , I Know what works and what won't . After extensive research and testing the FBI determined that the 10mm was the overall best choice for a full sized agent ,they had to down grade to the 10mm short /40S&W due to women and weak male agents . IMHO the only 9mm worth a damn for SD is the .357 Sig ,that with a 124 grain JHP bullet have more power and velocity than a 4 inch .357 magnum revolver . Here in Phoenix only the gin and juice gang bangers buy 380's .
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...84349003,d.eXY

I am not sure why someone would recommend a .357 sig unless they are required to carry it by a PD. That round has been way over thought to the point of having drawbacks from both the 9mm and the .40 s&w but very few advantages over either of them. IMO (more difficulty reloading and harder to find in stock comes to mind)

There is no magic bullet or caliber. Carry what you can shoot accurately and controlled and carry with a defensive mindset.

Originally Posted by allshotout

With that may years of firearms industry knowledge your mention of altering a trigger (Ghost Trigger, Glock) in earlier post was for competion/target shooting and not defensive carry, right? Please... tell me yes. If not and you have done this, and ever have to defend yourself with it, make-sure Johnnie Cochran is on speed dial.

Exactly what I thought!

Originally Posted by GONIF

NO, I did not say alter. I said replace with the well proven Ghost Rocket Comp carry parts ,but ya never change the striker spring because that makes it unreliable using some surplus and factory ammo with hard primers and also 1/2 pound lighter , this set up works great for carry if you remember the very first rule . NEVER EVER TOUCH /PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNTILL YOU HAVE A SIGHT PICTURE . The Glock comes with a beyond rude lawyer trigger with 5 to 7 # heavy, rough, creepy,nasty reset factory trigger. Near impossible to double or triple tap with. The Glock safe action trigger is much like a double action revolver trigger long hard pull .It is plenty safe lightened if you know the basics of gun safety . Much like driving a high performance car ,the operator needs to know what he is doing B4 driving . IMHO if you are not properly educated and proficient with your weapon ,you should not handle firearms .And a good firearms friendly attorney's phone number should always be carried by anyone carrying a firearm . Note all striker fired pistols have rude heavy ,nasty factory triggers ,with the exception of the old H&K P9s ,P7M8 and P7m13 and their new VP series of pistol. But anyone who has ever fired striker fired pistols knows this .Unfortunately H&K's are pricey and most folks won't spend that much on a pistol, so the aftermarket has developed a cure for the Glock, and new S&W M&P striker fired pistols rotten trigger feel that allow the inexpensive pistol buyer to remedy that problem.

I agree on trigger control and accuracy but you are completely missing the point. Lets say you were in a situation and had to use your conceal carry to defend yourself or others. The attacker is injured and/or dies. It is very likely in today's anti-gun environment (even though you maybe 100% justified) that a Prosecutor will be overly aggressive and try to hang you out to dry. I could easily imagine them bringing up the fact that you had a "non-oem trigger" in your gun that makes the gun "shoot with much less effort" and that this shows some form of prior intention. Now imagine the shot you took is not so easily proven to be justified (think Trevon Martin or Michael Brown) and this simple fact maybe the final nail in your coffin. Using the weapon is the very last resort including fleeing the attack and I sure as hell am not going to give the attacker any legal advantage over me (even if it is complete BS as far guns are concerned). This line of thought also includes the new "fad" ammo like zombie max and others. Even though it is the exact same round as the critical defense and cheaper, the legal risk of being "loaded for zombies" is huge! And I would never carry a hand loaded round for self defense for the same reasons. Carry a quality gun in a quality caliber with quality ammo and keep it factory for legal reasons. Have fun shooting or competing with whatever custom combination you like. (Concealed carry has absolutely nothing to do with SHTF Situations, Prepping, Martial Law or War.) I can easily double tap my Glock 30S with the factory trigger. I actually prefer it to many I have shot.

Originally Posted by GONIF

If you can't put one center mass a 21 feet or less ,nothing short of a 12 gauge with buck shot is going to work for you . The thing is to be a self defense shooting ,you better not shoot and hit someone at a range longer than 21 feet in most cases . So if someone jacked up on meth attacks you ,it is good idea to stop them B4 they can get to you . I carry a 45acp because it works without over penetration ,well proven for over 100 years.

I love my .45's but sometimes they are too big to carry everyday.

Originally Posted by christianchevell

I work for government, I read regulations before I do anything, and ..... if your having a weapon in the vehicle in almost all states it had better be unloaded and the ammunition stored separately ....like in the trunk or if you are ever pulled over and the vehicle searched you could be in deep do-do for one, and for two the rear seat can be pulled forward while driving if necessary if your good at it though a pain and better to have a assistant to do that. Just sayin......

I think you need to do some more reading, that sure is not the case here in Colorado.
Just because you "work for the government" doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
(In my experience it usually means the opposite, just sayin...)

[Bulldog3071]

Keep mine on my belt, but you must practice, practice, practice. You would be amazed at how much trouble you have trying to draw while seated. It literally take hundreds and hundreds of draws for it to fell right muscle memory is the key.

[Godon Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by christianchevell
I work for government, I read regulations before I do anything, and ..... if your having a weapon in the vehicle in almost all states it had better be unloaded and the ammunition stored separately ....like in the trunk or if you are ever pulled over and the vehicle searched you could be in deep do-do for one, and for two the rear seat can be pulled forward while driving if necessary if your good at it though a pain and better to have a assistant

I think you need to do some more reading, that sure is not the case here in WV when carrying concealed or open carry.

[1KillerSS]

I have seen enough ballistics gel that equates to a full organ transplant, and doesn't penetrate past your target(in this case a body). I am always curious to hear people put frangables down. I am not saying you don't know what your talking about, just that maybe were seeing some different data, on usage or personal experience. As long as I am not shooting at someone with body Armour on. I Think I'm good with the fact that it wont penetrate two sheets of drywall, what I am interested in is the damage once inside.

[santolious]

i used to carry a springfield xd 9mm but switched to a ruger lcp 380 and i have it in between the center console and my seat.

[Godon Hutchinson]

christianchevell Here is the skinny on Arizona concealed carryPer us carry.com Arizona concealed carry law.What are the laws for carrying a firearm in an automobile in Arizona?
As long as you are 21 years of age or older and legally able to own a firearm you can carry a firearm in Arizona anywhere it is legal to carry including an automobile.What are the Arizona Open Carry laws?
There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is common and law enforcement is well educated as to its legality. NOTE:Tribal reservations have their own laws and should be avoided or researched prior to visiting

[santolious]

Originally Posted by 2013 ZL1 #7860

If you are legally carrying concealed and it "invites confrontation" then you are doing it wrong. Either you are not actually concealing it which makes it visible to others thus inviting unwanted attention or it has a negative/aggressive physiological effect on you and probably shouldn't be carrying at all. You can't start the argument/confrontation and end it with a gun.



I agree except that "the gun you always have with you is better than the BIG gun kept in your safe". I have numerous calibers, but I prefer to carry a 16oz 9mm (7 round) with 124gr HST +P and 1 reload. This gun is so small/thin it can be carried in any clothing type or weather. 9mm with modern ammo is an excellent defensive round that gives 80-90% of the ballistics of older .357 magnums but with more capacity and a smaller (narrower) package. I would love to have my .45 acp on me but the reality is that thing is heavy and hard to conceal everyday.



.380 is better than no gun at all but I would trust a .380 for self defense only when the size of the gun needs to be as small as possible. I would never trust a frangible .380 round (or any other pistol caliber) to defend myself. That will penetrate 2-3 inches at best and will require more rounds to knock the attacker down than the .380 magazine likely holds. In .380 you want the bullet to penetrate as deep as possible and stay in one piece. If shot placement and over penetration are a concern than maybe the shot is not worth taking? (IMO .380 will rarely, if ever, over penetrate to cause concern)



I am not sure why someone would recommend a .357 sig unless they are required to carry it by a PD. That round has been way over thought to the point of having drawbacks from both the 9mm and the .40 s&w but very few advantages over either of them. IMO (more difficulty reloading and harder to find in stock comes to mind)

There is no magic bullet or caliber. Carry what you can shoot accurately and controlled and carry with a defensive mindset.



Exactly what I thought!



I agree on trigger control and accuracy but you are completely missing the point. Lets say you were in a situation and had to use your conceal carry to defend yourself or others. The attacker is injured and/or dies. It is very likely in today's anti-gun environment (even though you maybe 100% justified) that a Prosecutor will be overly aggressive and try to hang you out to dry. I could easily imagine them bringing up the fact that you had a "non-oem trigger" in your gun that makes the gun "shoot with much less effort" and that this shows some form of prior intention. Now imagine the shot you took is not so easily proven to be justified (think Trevon Martin or Michael Brown) and this simple fact maybe the final nail in your coffin. Using the weapon is the very last resort including fleeing the attack and I sure as hell am not going to give the attacker any legal advantage over me (even if it is complete BS as far guns are concerned). This line of thought also includes the new "fad" ammo like zombie max and others. Even though it is the exact same round as the critical defense and cheaper, the legal risk of being "loaded for zombies" is huge! And I would never carry a hand loaded round for self defense for the same reasons. Carry a quality gun in a quality caliber with quality ammo and keep it factory for legal reasons. Have fun shooting or competing with whatever custom combination you like.



I love my .45's but sometimes they are too big to carry everyday.



I think you need to do some more reading, that sure is not the case here in Colorado.
Just because you "work for the government" doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
(In my experience it usually means the opposite, just sayin...)

I work for the government too and i carry hot. if i got pulled over would state i have a loaded gun and wait for instruction after i provide my license registration and permit. 9/10 the officer will say thanks for the warning and keep my hands in plain view. only once was i told to get out of the car, and i sat in the cruiser until i got my ticket and he told me sorry for the inconvenience but was concerned for his safety.