2023 NFL season discussion

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by NjaTrtl

Here we go again...he has 3 more total turnovers than Tua and 2 more than Mahomes. If you're basing the best player in the NFL on turnovers, then I guess it is Lamar...or maybe Purdy. I mean Josh has a whole 5 more TO's than those 2.

He has a pattern of a lot of turnovers. That’s why it’s an issue. If it was just this year, then yeah, I can see your point. But he leads the league in turnovers since joining the league.

[102SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

He has a pattern of a lot of turnovers. That’s why it’s an issue. If it was just this year, then yeah, I can see your point. But he leads the league in turnovers since joining the league.

92 Starts 22,175 passing yards 165 TD's with 65 Ints 92.5 career rating

Rushing 631 attempts 3500 yards 51 TD's 33 career fumbles 14 lost

Receiving 1 catch 1 TD 12 yds

8 career tackles

So adding it up 216 TD's 79 Turn overs and 25,675 yds with 2 games left in his 6th year

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by 102SS

92 Starts 22,175 passing yards 165 TD's with 65 Ints 92.5 career rating

Rushing 631 attempts 3500 yards 51 TD's 33 career fumbles 14 lost

Receiving 1 catch 1 TD 12 yds

8 career tackles

So adding it up 216 TD's 79 Turn overs and 25,675 yds with 2 games left in his 6th year

Your numbers are off. He has like 98 turnovers

[PoorMansCamaro]

That’s since 2018. In comparison, since 2020, Allen has 71, Tua has 41

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Another game to the last freaking play.

EAGLES 11 - 4

The way they played the last month, I think the Eagles are dropping the final Giants game and will most likely finish 12-5. I think we’d play the rams as we’d be #3 and they are 6 I believe. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they come to the linc and pass all over this Defense and win.

Actually if we lose to the giants that would drop us to #5 ( assuming the Cowboys win out) which would mean we’d play @ Tampa. Another team I can easily see beating the Eagles.

[m6-lt1]

The MVP absolutely will not go to a player on a team with 6 losses. Even if Josh Allen gets to 48 TDs it’s not happening.

Not saying I agree with this but they typically give it to the quarterback on the team with the best record as long as he had a decent year.

It’s Lamar’s award to lose. He has the best record, is extremely valuable to his team and has decent numbers
Yes he doesn’t have as many TD’s as Tua and Josh but their records are worse AND they have better pass catchers which voters will factor in to make up for Lamar’s lower number of TDs

Personally prior to his injury I would have voted for Tyreek Hill. He’s an irreplaceable player on a very good team. No other receiver can do what he does but most importantly he was on a historic pace prior to getting injured. Since he got injured I’d vote for lamar after the smack down he and his defense put on the 49ers. While the Ravens defense played stelar the 49ers defense had no answer for Lamar and that offense. He also helped put smackdowns on the Jags and lions. Two other division leading teams.

[PoorMansCamaro]

A wr will never win mvp. Ever. Literally one of the best players, let alone wr, in Jerry Rice, never won. Randy Moss never won, megatron breaking the record never won, Cooper Kupp with the triple crown and 50yds shy of the record never won. It’s never happening.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

A wr will never win mvp. Ever. Literally one of the best players, let alone wr, in Jerry Rice, never won. Randy Moss never won, megatron breaking the record never won, Cooper Kupp with the triple crown and 50yds shy of the record never won. It’s never happening.

I agree. I didn’t say tyreek was going to win. Just stating who I’d vote for. If a player does something historic and they’re the only one to do something historic that year they’d automatically get my vote. 2k receiving yards is historic. If a defensive player ever gets 25 sacks, I’d give them my vote as well.

[102SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Your numbers are off. He has like 98 turnovers

98 is the sum of all fumbles and ints.

The thing is he didn't lose 33 fumbles he lost 14 so its not 65 and 33 equals 98 its 65 and 14 equals 79

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stat...298/josh-allen

[102SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

That’s since 2018. In comparison, since 2020, Allen has 71, Tua has 41

Tua has thrown 78 TD's with 33 picks 18 fumbles with 5 lost in 55 games plus a whopping 6 TD's rushing.

Josh 2.36 TD;s per game and .85 turnovers per game almost a 3-1 rate

Tua 1.65 TD's per game and .75 turn over ratio just over 2-1

The best ability is availability and Josh missed 4 games his rookie year due to injury and has not missed a game since due to injury.

He has been sat in the final game 3 times and pulled in the 4th quarter numerous times from 2019 to 2022 because of blow outs with 3 more this year.

Tua has missed 15 games in his first 4 years due to injury or getting benched and got yanked numerous times due to poor performance in his first 3 years

He isn't even the best QB in his draft class

That would be Hebert

114 passing TD's 42 picks 11 rushing TD's 9 fumbles ZERO lost 62 games played 6 missed due to injury and that includes the next 2 games this year

2.02 TD's a game

The Bills drafted the best QB in 2018 that fit their system who just happens to be the best player in the league.

[102SS]

One more thing JA17 has more TD's in his first 6 years than any other QB in history and he still has 2 games left to play.

[102SS]

Lamont 85 Games played 14 missed

15,566 pass yds 120 pass td's 5223 rush yds 29 td's with 36 fumbles and 11 lost

20,789 total yds 149 tds and 56 turnovers 1.75 tds per game .66 turnovers per game almost a 3-1 ratio

Josh has 5,000 more yards and 67 more total tds

Thats 50 complete trips down the field almost 50 more passing tds

18 more rushing tds than the so called best dual threat QB the NFL has ever seen.

All my stats are from ESPN because their site is easier to navigate than the NFL site

[102SS]

One more thing JA17 became the first player in NFL history with at least one pass td and a rushing td in 10 games in the same season.

Thats this year folks and he has 2 games to play

Kyler Murray held the record at 9 games in the same season

[102SS]

Aaron won the SB in 2010 with a 10-6 record and won 4 mvps after this year

2011 was 15-1 and his first MVP no SB .....48 tds

2014 12 wins(4 teams had 12) was his second MVP no SB......40 tds

2020 13 wins (KC had 14) 3rd MVP 51 tds no SB(Josh had 13 wins and 45 tds)

2021 13 wins (KC 12 Bills 11) 4th MVP 40 Td's no SB (Josh had 41)

So it looks like wins or TD's can make the difference