The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Do I sense some angry undertones? I believe I do. Hey fact of the matter is, it'll run 10's without even turning a bolt on the motor.

And you know what we can sit here and talk 1/4 mile times all day. We can talk about stock for stock, which the Mustang wins. We can talk about mod for mod which we have yet to see which car wins.

Fact of the matter is at the end of the day the Mustang is a better car. It may not have always been the fastest car, but it has always been the BETTER car. Better engineered, better designed, better looking, better interior, better to drive, better to own, easier to maintain, more aftermarket options, a better community. Just plain better.

You can throw any angle you want at us, you can say how good the Camaro is at this, and how good the motor is, etc. The fact of the matter is it's just not a better car.

The Mustang is THE original classic American Muscle car. Something that GM couldn't truly follow up with the Camaro, even in '69.

With over 9 million of them sold I guess you really can't argue that point now can you?

EDIT: Almost forgot, the Mustang is better sounding too.

:troll::s tang:Im just going to use alot of smilies so I dont get banned for what I would really like to say to this guy.

[viper,redz]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Do I sense some angry undertones? I believe I do. Hey fact of the matter is, it'll run 10's without even turning a bolt on the motor.

And you know what we can sit here and talk 1/4 mile times all day. We can talk about stock for stock, which the Mustang wins. .

Not running 13.3 and 13.8 like I saw this pass weekend . All this crying over what ? Just enjoy your car have fun and move on . This new 5.0 is fast but its no faster than the driver can drive it you will see . All this better better better stuff move on dude we dont want to hear it. just like a mustang sight does not wanna hear how camaro's been beating fords for a long time .

[J Webb]

This is hilarious. Take it outside or to the track. Haha

[VADER SS L99]

He is just mad because LS1's ran away from him all day long even though he had a MIGHTY COBRA. Its just years of pent up rage and frustration. I'd be pretty upset too if my Flagship Car got beat down on the regular by a, in your terms, lesser car.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

He is just mad because LS1's ran away from him all day long even though he had a MIGHTY COBRA. Its just years of pent up rage and frustration. I'd be pretty upset too if my Flagship Car got beat down on the regular by a, in your terms, lesser car.

[daveplant87]

Hey guys,

First of all, im new to the forum and so this is my first post. My name is Dave and im a huge fan of all things chevy/camaro. I dont currently own a fifth gen, but i do own an 87 Firebird with more than a few mods haha.

Anyways back on topic. For the last two weeks GM has been doing what they call a vehicle advocate program where basically they let their employees drive Gm and competitors' vehicles. Since my uncle is an engineer at the Tech center I was able to attend on both monday and saturday and I was able to drive both the 2010 Camaro and the 2011 mustang 5.0. And so here are my impressions.

First let me just say that the Camaro is one beautiful car both inside and out. Pictures just dont do it justice; you have to see it in person to appreciate it. The interior is awesome especially with the two tone seats. The seats were surprisingly comfy and the dash was pretty cool looking. Yes it does have limited visibility but you forget it once you hammer the throttle. And when you do the SS gets up and goes pretty damn good. It pulled harder than i expected it to. One thing i noticed was that the auto/L99 seemed lazy when you floored it. Its just didnt pull nearly as hard as the ls3. Im not sure why but you could definitely tell the difference. I think maybe it wasnt downshifting to first, but even when we floored it from a dead stop it still didnt pull as hard as the ls3. (Not because of the power difference. Either something was wrong with both auto cars i drove, or the auto/L99 is just not tuned right in stock form)

The ls3 though was a blast to drive. It pulled hard and sounded 10 times better than the L99. It was almost like a totally different car. All in all I was extremely impressed with the SS, and be warned: if you drive one, you will want one really bad lol.

Now for the mustang. I was a little surprised by the 5.0 also. It pulls pretty hard! In my opinion it does not pull like the ls3, but it def pulled harder than the L99's that i drove. This really is going to be close on the streets, but those of use that drovve both agreed that the ls3 cars will take the 5.0. Now the 5.0 we drove was an auto unfortunately, but it didnt seem lazy like the camaro auto. I dont see the manual being any faster than the auto stang, unless you are a damn good shifter. With same level drivers, the ls3 is probably going to win. Let the flaming begin, but unless youve drove both dont come on here saying how the 5.0 is going to own the SS blah blah weight difference blah. Make no mistake about it, this is going to be a drivers race.

And about the stangs styling, in my opinion its just not as sharp as the camaro. Its not ugly, but i think the camaro has the better look. I will say the seats are really nice. Didnt like the dash very much. Exterior wise, didnt like the rear end, but the front is ok. All in all its a nice car though. Looks are jsut a matter of opinion though. And finally the mustang is going to put up a fight without forced induction.

In conclusion, these two pony cars are the real deal. You really cant go by what any of the magazines say. Your best bet would be to test drive both and see for your self. These are definitely exciting times for us car lovers as right now there are two very even and very awesome cars available to choose from. Sorry about the long post but if anyone else has any impressions of both cars feel free to post em up.

[fazm]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Do I sense some angry undertones? I believe I do. Hey fact of the matter is, it'll run 10's without even turning a bolt on the motor.

And you know what we can sit here and talk 1/4 mile times all day. We can talk about stock for stock, which the Mustang wins. We can talk about mod for mod which we have yet to see which car wins.

Fact of the matter is at the end of the day the Mustang is a better car. It may not have always been the fastest car, but it has always been the BETTER car. Better engineered, better designed, better looking, better interior, better to drive, better to own, easier to maintain, more aftermarket options, a better community. Just plain better.

You can throw any angle you want at us, you can say how good the Camaro is at this, and how good the motor is, etc. The fact of the matter is it's just not a better car.

The Mustang is THE original classic American Muscle car. Something that GM couldn't truly follow up with the Camaro, even in '69.

With over 9 million of them sold I guess you really can't argue that point now can you?

EDIT: Almost forgot, the Mustang is better sounding too.

dude really? this is fine to post on a mustang site, but not on a camaro site, hope you get banned for this

[fazm]

delete the last part, no street racing stories, says it right at the top of the page man seriously. respect the rules.

other than that, id agree if someone is in the market for either car, ud have to drive both, but thats common sense.

personally i felt uncomfy in the 2010 camaro (l99). at 6'4" i had to tilt my head the slightest to fit (had a sunroof). and im the kind of driver thats always checking my mirrors etc, and the visibility bugged me. now for the power? sure the camaro was quick, slower than my car, but quick.

[jebckr]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Do I sense some angry undertones? I believe I do. Hey fact of the matter is, it'll run 10's without even turning a bolt on the motor.

And you know what we can sit here and talk 1/4 mile times all day. We can talk about stock for stock, which the Mustang wins. We can talk about mod for mod which we have yet to see which car wins.

Fact of the matter is at the end of the day the Mustang is a better car. It may not have always been the fastest car, but it has always been the BETTER car. Better engineered, better designed, better looking, better interior, better to drive, better to own, easier to maintain, more aftermarket options, a better community. Just plain better.

You can throw any angle you want at us, you can say how good the Camaro is at this, and how good the motor is, etc. The fact of the matter is it's just not a better car.

The Mustang is THE original classic American Muscle car. Something that GM couldn't truly follow up with the Camaro, even in '69.

With over 9 million of them sold I guess you really can't argue that point now can you?

EDIT: Almost forgot, the Mustang is better sounding too.

A. 90% of what you refer to as better is purely subjective.
B. You need to mellow out dude. It's obvious in the fact that you are on the Camaro forums, that you came here to "pick a fight." That's just lame. Reality is, we all just drive highly engineered pieces of metal. They'll all rust and turn to dust one day, until then just enjoy the damn things and be a little more friendly. You're not accomplishing anything here.

[ghazzi1397]

Originally Posted by daveplant87

Hey guys,

First of all, im new to the forum and so this is my first post. My name is Dave and im a huge fan of all things chevy/camaro. I dont currently own a fifth gen, but i do own an 87 Firebird with more than a few mods haha.

Anyways back on topic. For the last two weeks GM has been doing what they call a vehicle advocate program where basically they let their employees drive Gm and competitors' vehicles. Since my uncle is an engineer at the Tech center I was able to attend on both monday and saturday and I was able to drive both the 2010 Camaro and the 2011 mustang 5.0. And so here are my impressions.

First let me just say that the Camaro is one beautiful car both inside and out. Pictures just dont do it justice; you have to see it in person to appreciate it. The interior is awesome especially with the two tone seats. The seats were surprisingly comfy and the dash was pretty cool looking. Yes it does have limited visibility but you forget it once you hammer the throttle. And when you do the SS gets up and goes pretty damn good. It pulled harder than i expected it to. One thing i noticed was that the auto/L99 seemed lazy when you floored it. Its just didnt pull nearly as hard as the ls3. Im not sure why but you could definitely tell the difference. I think maybe it wasnt downshifting to first, but even when we floored it from a dead stop it still didnt pull as hard as the ls3. (Not because of the power difference. Either something was wrong with both auto cars i drove, or the auto/L99 is just not tuned right in stock form)

The ls3 though was a blast to drive. It pulled hard and sounded 10 times better than the L99. It was almost like a totally different car. All in all I was extremely impressed with the SS, and be warned: if you drive one, you will want one really bad lol.

Now for the mustang. I was a little surprised by the 5.0 also. It pulls pretty hard! In my opinion it does not pull like the ls3, but it def pulled harder than the L99's that i drove. This really is going to be close on the streets, but those of use that drovve both agreed that the ls3 cars will take the 5.0. Now the 5.0 we drove was an auto unfortunately, but it didnt seem lazy like the camaro auto. I dont see the manual being any faster than the auto stang, unless you are a damn good shifter. With same level drivers, the ls3 is probably going to win. Let the flaming begin, but unless youve drove both dont come on here saying how the 5.0 is going to own the SS blah blah weight difference blah. Make no mistake about it, this is going to be a drivers race.

And about the stangs styling, in my opinion its just not as sharp as the camaro. Its not ugly, but i think the camaro has the better look. I will say the seats are really nice. Didnt like the dash very much. Exterior wise, didnt like the rear end, but the front is ok. All in all its a nice car though. Looks are jsut a matter of opinion though. And finally the mustang is going to put up a fight without forced induction.

In conclusion, these two pony cars are the real deal. You really cant go by what any of the magazines say. Your best bet would be to test drive both and see for your self. These are definitely exciting times for us car lovers as right now there are two very even and very awesome cars available to choose from. Sorry about the long post but if anyone else has any impressions of both cars feel free to post em up.

[YLWJKT]

Good comparison. Maybe I missed it, but where did he say steet racing?

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Wandering Scot

Good comparison. Maybe I missed it, but where did he say steet racing?

It was in the original post, but it looks like he deleted that part now.

[SummitWhiteLS]

Originally Posted by daveplant87

... the auto/L99 seemed lazy when you floored it. Its didnt pull nearly as hard as the ls3 ... you could definitely tell the difference ... even when we floored it from a dead stop it still didnt pull as hard as the ls3.

Most of the tests I've seen of the new SS show the automatic is within 1/10 second of the stick. Your impression must just be an illusion a person gets when driving both cars back-to-back.

That's why personal seat of the pants feelings are subjective, and measured testing is objective.

Originally Posted by fazm

sure the camaro was quick, slower than my car, but quick.

The new Camaro/Mustang has a warranty.

You car doesn't. Big difference.

[mustangman99]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

He is just mad because LS1's ran away from him all day long even though he had a MIGHTY COBRA. Its just years of pent up rage and frustration. I'd be pretty upset too if my Flagship Car got beat down on the regular by a, in your terms, lesser car.

Nope, I'll admit an LS1 Camaro is faster than my car, by around .5-.8 seconds. The fact is I just don't care.

You know why? It's because my car is better engineered, drives better, looks better, sounds better etc.

You all sit on your high horse when the Camaro was faster, now that the 2011 Mustang is on top, you should have nothing to say. However, that doesn't stop all of you Camaro owners from running your mouths. And of course, most of it is just making fun of the Mustang.

I don't make fun of your car, I point out the better qualities of the Mustang. The fact of the matter is that it's just not as good of an automobile as the Mustang is. Never has been and never will be.