When Was The Last Time You Worked Out At The Gym - Page 40

kalimus · 02-06-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WheelmanSS

I hear what you are saying to an extent. It's all about the approach. True, you won't hear a body builder say ""meh, you don't really need to work out your calves". But let's be honest, body building has nothing to do with performance. I personally equate fitness with performance. A body builder may look "fit", but in general their performance is laughable.

Oh I agree. But if the goal is to increase size, it doesn't necessarily mean be "fit". I know many people who increase their overall physical fitness at different intervals than their physical size. Not saying you can't do both, but most people training to be "fit" don't generally care about their size.

Training as a fighter, I find it hilarious when I see body builders in public. Everyone oooh's and aaaah's over them and usually nudges me and says, "I wouldn't wanna mess with that guy!". I usually shrug with a cringe and say, "well, I wouldn't mind". Most of them have the flexibilty of a steel rod and the cardio of a hippo. Again, it's all relative.

Aye, but that's all about look. Most of those guys have no interest in messing with anybody (except the arrogant ones).

You're kinda losing me here. In noooo way can abs be compared to calves. When executing just about any athletic movement or lift, the core is the starting line. The core is the base for establishing balance, stability, and power. Calves carry a load, they aren't used to generate power. You don't jump plyo boxes by driving with your calves. You don't deadlift weight pushing off with your calves.

Well that's kind of my point. Abs are constantly worked out. I'm not advocating NOT working them out, I'm just saying that they are constantly exercised. You may not be driven by your calves, but they play a role. Unless you when you jump your entire foot leaves the floor at the same time, you're using your calves. I guarantee that very weak calves would lead to a diminished jumping height. Good runners use their calves like crazy as well (ever tried those KSOs? OMG). AND... look at fat people

HUGE calves. They're doing something with them.

I'm glad you're with me on the Oly lifts. Maybe our definitions of shredded are different. Granted, body fat and tone do go somewhat hand and hand. However, I have some pretty shredded calves, but my mid-section is nothing of the sort!

Shredded to me is the look of the body (or parts of the body) with low bodyfat. I look it as what comes "after toned". But you could have super low bodyfat on certain parts of your body, and not on others. I certainly do right now

Totally agree. But again, to me anyways, bigger does not equal performance.

Agree

Amen to that!

Plus... calves are sweet. I did that online dating thing for about a month, and I took a picture of one of my calves in a mirror as a mockery to the "abs in the mirror" picture... ohhhhhh the responses hahaha

tones2SS · 02-06-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SSTG

To the question of "how much can you bench", I don't see that as proving a lot. I see way to many guy's in the gym with big chests and under developed Delts, traps and backs and for goodness sakes what about legs? Most guy's arms are bigger than their legs!
I'm more into proper form and overall strength. Not showman ship.

Amen brother!! Same here. I used to lift heavy back in my "hey day", but now I lift at about 65% maximum and get great results. It's all about form for me.
Who cares how much you can bench or curl if you're doing it wrong. I'm not impressed at all. Eventually that person will injure themselves. And like you said, doing chest and biceps/triceps only and skipping legs and/or shoulders, just makes you look dumb.

416Camaro · 02-07-2013, 05:35 AM

How much can you bench was the question I was answering. It's not the only workout I do personally. The above mentioned, and most of us know, you will not look proportioned in body mass. Like most boxers I have seen around my size have top muscle but legs are thin. Even though there is a lot of strength in there legs they specifically have the power from the torso up. I don't want to achieve such a characteristic. My legs are a compound workout every time am at the gym except for days I do back exercise.

WheelmanSS · 02-07-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kalimus

Plus... calves are sweet. I did that online dating thing for about a month, and I took a picture of one of my calves in a mirror as a mockery to the "abs in the mirror" picture... ohhhhhh the responses hahaha

AHAHAHAHAHA! That is awesome! Would love to see those responses!

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Originally Posted by 416Camaro

The above mentioned, and most of us know, you will not look proportioned in body mass. Like most boxers I have seen around my size have top muscle but legs are thin. Even though there is a lot of strength in there legs they specifically have the power from the torso up. I don't want to achieve such a characteristic. My legs are a compound workout every time am at the gym except for days I do back exercise.

uuuuuuh....wut?

As a boxer, I will tell you that your assessement of our physique is completely ass-backwards.

First of all, there is more footwork, agility, and power movements than you can imagine as key components of the sport. Our legs appear leaner because of the conditioning involved in that generally gets them that way. Quick, deliberate movement is important. And that needs to be balanced with cardiovascular endurance.

It's news to me that I only "specifically have the power from the torso up"

You do know that a properly thrown punch starts from the ground and goes up the legs, through the core, to the upper body, then extends through the arms? The first thing you learn when punching is what points of the foot/heal drive into the ground for the various strikes.

What are "top muscles"? lol

Not sure who these "boxers" are that you have seen. Slapping on a pair of bag gloves does not a fighter make!

416Camaro · 02-07-2013, 11:23 AM

Lol... Top muscles ... Uhh , your top half of your body.

All I meant was exactly what you mentioned your legs appear leaner couldn't have said it better myself obviously there is a lot of power in boxers leg they just "appear" thin. I never said there were weak .

WheelmanSS · 02-07-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 416Camaro

Lol... Top muscles ... Uhh , your top half of your body.

All I meant was exactly what you mentioned your legs appear leaner couldn't have said it better myself obviously there is a lot of power in boxers leg they just "appear" thin. I never said there were weak .

Ah I see, thought top muscles might have been a technical term. I need to find those and give them a good workout

I wanna see me these chicken leg boxers, and put some sense into them!

kalimus · 02-07-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WheelmanSS

Ah I see, thought top muscles might have been a technical term. I need to find those and give them a good workout

I wanna see me these chicken leg boxers, and put some sense into them!

Proportionally? Which I think is what he's talking about. Chuck Liddell has got some disproportionate legs. I wouldn't say "chicken legs"... but they don't fit well with his upper body...

It's kind of hard to be certain though, because it all depends on the picture. There were a few other fighters that I initially thought had kind of small legs, until I got some better camera angles.

CFD · 02-07-2013, 02:45 PM

I think most athletes and lifters have smaller calves than what some would think proportionate, reason being because of the shape of the muscle and the composition of the lower part of the leg itself. Usually fat is stored in other places before the lower leg so even when not totally ripped the lower leg is mostly bone and lean tissue and because there is no muscle there other than the calves you don't get that big look like with arms where you have bicepts and tricepts to make up total size. When working calves they must be worked with more weight AND reps combined to push them far enough beyond their everyday use to promote growth. Normally I am a big fan of compound lift and think it builds strength in the calves but to gain size it is one area where isolation lifts are beneficial.

416Camaro · 02-07-2013, 02:48 PM

Proportionally defined lmao

CFD · 02-07-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 416Camaro

Proportionally defined lmao

You must have photo shopped that , if not someone should give that guy a dope slap.

kalimus · 02-07-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CFD

You must have photo shopped that , if not someone should give that guy a dope slap.

I've seen dudes like that in my gym. Not even joking.

CFD · 02-07-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kalimus

I've seen dudes like that in my gym. Not even joking.

That's like putting skinnies on the back of your Camaro.

Dznts · 02-07-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CFD

You must have photo shopped that , if not someone should give that guy a dope slap.

lol.. i see it alot as well.

SSTG · 02-07-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 416Camaro

Proportionally defined lmao

Like I said, Arms are bigger than his legs!

02-07-2013, 05:35 AM	#549
416Camaro Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 296	How much can you bench was the question I was answering. It's not the only workout I do personally. The above mentioned, and most of us know, you will not look proportioned in body mass. Like most boxers I have seen around my size have top muscle but legs are thin. Even though there is a lot of strength in there legs they specifically have the power from the torso up. I don't want to achieve such a characteristic. My legs are a compound workout every time am at the gym except for days I do back exercise. __________________ M6 MODS: OBX LT headers, Magnaflow Resonated Xpipe, MRT V2 Axle back, K&N intake, Trifecta Tune,Sidemarker & Tail Light Blackout, Black Vinyl Emblems, CCFL Angel Eye Projectors, 35% & 5% Tint, Plasti Dip Rocker Stripes/Gas Cap, Blacked Out Tail Light Bezels....More to come.

02-07-2013, 11:23 AM	#551
416Camaro Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 296	Lol... Top muscles ... Uhh , your top half of your body. All I meant was exactly what you mentioned your legs appear leaner couldn't have said it better myself obviously there is a lot of power in boxers leg they just "appear" thin. I never said there were weak . __________________ M6 MODS: OBX LT headers, Magnaflow Resonated Xpipe, MRT V2 Axle back, K&N intake, Trifecta Tune,Sidemarker & Tail Light Blackout, Black Vinyl Emblems, CCFL Angel Eye Projectors, 35% & 5% Tint, Plasti Dip Rocker Stripes/Gas Cap, Blacked Out Tail Light Bezels....More to come.

02-07-2013, 02:48 PM	#555
416Camaro Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 296	Proportionally defined lmao Attached Images __________________ M6 MODS: OBX LT headers, Magnaflow Resonated Xpipe, MRT V2 Axle back, K&N intake, Trifecta Tune,Sidemarker & Tail Light Blackout, Black Vinyl Emblems, CCFL Angel Eye Projectors, 35% & 5% Tint, Plasti Dip Rocker Stripes/Gas Cap, Blacked Out Tail Light Bezels....More to come.

02-07-2013, 02:45 PM	#554
CFD Drives: 2SS/RS L99 BLACK Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Franklin , MA Posts: 6,696	I think most athletes and lifters have smaller calves than what some would think proportionate, reason being because of the shape of the muscle and the composition of the lower part of the leg itself. Usually fat is stored in other places before the lower leg so even when not totally ripped the lower leg is mostly bone and lean tissue and because there is no muscle there other than the calves you don't get that big look like with arms where you have bicepts and tricepts to make up total size. When working calves they must be worked with more weight AND reps combined to push them far enough beyond their everyday use to promote growth. Normally I am a big fan of compound lift and think it builds strength in the calves but to gain size it is one area where isolation lifts are beneficial.