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Wizzer · 03-31-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 570hp-lpe

It is ABSOLUTELY a revenue stream.

I was meeting with a Police agency who QUOTE "We make an average of 3.2 Million in Parking tickets annualy".

I am sure Speeding is the same thing.

They WILL find a way to get the money.

Then they are going to love these cars cause when I am running at 80 it handles like it is going 60. It hard not to speed in a car designed for speed. I was stationed in Germany for 5 years and they are the only country left that has no restrictions on SOME areas of the autobahn. It was absolutely fantastic to open up your car and drive it like it should be driven. Sadly we as Americans as too retarded to ever get a system like they have. I say retarded because in Germany the left lane is only used for passing.... period. It's a national sin to block the left lane or pass on the right. They pay for there right to speed with the high price per liter of gas though.

I highly recommend vacationing there once in your life. You US drivers license is legal there and you can drive no problem.

By the way don't give the finger to a German. If they get your plate you will get a ticket in the mail.

Wizzer

Alain · 03-31-2010, 10:15 PM

don't speed and you wont have to worry about "contributing" the towns/courts/police departments bottom line. lolol

hamidar05 · 03-31-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronn

Lol. Didn't come on here to argue.

edit: you won't see me in court, I didn't say once that I was a cop. I do however have some knowledge on the subject

Sorry man, this whole global warming thing and the govt threatening to take away my V8 Camaro made me join a militia and has me on edge.. Peace and love brotha.

Ronn · 03-31-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hamidar05

Sorry man, this whole global warming thing and the govt threatening to take away my V8 Camaro made me join a militia and has me on edge.. Peace and love brotha.

Hey dude, no harm done. Militia eh.... sounds like somethin I'd be interested in lol.

Stickin' it to the man hahaha

BadSS · 03-31-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fastscout

lol...everyone complains about this traffic stuff like you don't have any choices....how about, I don't know, don't speed or break traffic laws? tough one there. lol

Or how about quite making an area a 30 MPH zone that can easily handle 45 MPH. How about the areas where the speed limit is 50 and you there is a curve up ahead and just as you come around that curve the limit drops to 35. It also just happens to be a favorite spot for the local police to sit right there and nail you. Do I hear speed trap!!! I just happen to know it's there but see that cop sitting there just giving those tickets out. Damn crooks. Let me tell ya, it's all about money.

mrray13 · 03-31-2010, 10:31 PM

My department has not been issued any order to drop the "cushion". Then again, we don't have to honor the "cushion" either. We are empowered to start writing at whatever speed we want to over the limit.

Me? In town I'll give you 10, unless in a heavy residential area, then you get 7. Interstate depends on flow of traffic. If it's all moving fast, I'll allow more, if it is going slow, I allow less. No less then 10 however. No more then 15. Also doesn't mean you are always getting a ticket either.

Revenue? Our department gets $42 out of every $75 ticket. If the ticket is more then $75, we get our $42 and whatever is over the $75, if my understanding of that is correct.

Overtime? If you aren't scheduled during court hours, yes. if your shift falls during your scheduled court appearence, no. We have to go to all court appearences, no option otehr then illness, family emergency type stuff. I've been called to testify on 4 traffic only citations out of a few thousand I've written. The defendant only showed up once. So I'm 4-0, but 3 by default. Go figure, lol.

I won't get into the Radar thing, but to say it is indeed tested at every stop. Calibrated yearly, and IMHO, can be wrong. If was humans who built it, correct? We are perfect, lol.

Ronn · 03-31-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mrray13

My department has not been issued any order to drop the "cushion". Then again, we don't have to honor the "cushion" either. We are empowered to start writing at whatever speed we want to over the limit.

Me? In town I'll give you 10, unless in a heavy residential area, then you get 7. Interstate depends on flow of traffic. If it's all moving fast, I'll allow more, if it is going slow, I allow less. No less then 10 however. No more then 15. Also doesn't mean you are always getting a ticket either.

Revenue? Our department gets $42 out of every $75 ticket. If the ticket is more then $75, we get our $42 and whatever is over the $75, if my understanding of that is correct.

Overtime? If you aren't scheduled during court hours, yes. if your shift falls during your scheduled court appearence, no. We have to go to all court appearences, no option otehr then illness, family emergency type stuff. I've been called to testify on 4 traffic only citations out of a few thousand I've written. The defendant only showed up once. So I'm 4-0, but 3 by default. Go figure, lol.

I won't get into the Radar thing, but to say it is indeed tested at every stop. Calibrated yearly, and IMHO, can be wrong. If was humans who built it, correct? We are perfect, lol.

I know in Canada a portion of tickets go to what's called a victim surcharge. Is it like that in the states aswell?

RAdams · 03-31-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StuntmanMike

A newspaper trying to sell papers? Say it ain't so. But...since it's not the paper that did the studies, I'd wager that it's unlikely they are making the stats up. Yeah, they're reporting on the study -- and people will want to read it -- but it's not like the editor sat there and decided to ask 10 of his friends about their ticket history to use that as his statistics.

LOL, OK, we both agree - the paper is trying to sell papers. But remember this - even the TITLE of the article says "MAY" reduce the cushion. Not "WILL" but "may." That is pure conjecture. They admittedly quote anecdotal evidence and even site a source that says "tickets went up when other (read "more serious") crime went down."

As for making up statistics, to be honest... I *AM* most definitely a skeptic. I grew up in an era when a person held a study to see if they were right *OR* wrong. TODAY people hold studies with the agenda of stroking their egos to "prove" a preconceived notion, ignoring ALL contrary evidence to prove themselves "right." Sure it's not the paper that did the studies, but it did support the ONE (probably) preconceived agenda of the reporter.

All of this doesn't change the fact that stories like this have been published and floating around for DECADES yet when you actually ask an officer about it, it always turns out to be BS.

Inferno2SS · 03-31-2010, 11:05 PM

The local news station here in Colorado picked up the story and showed stats from the previous 2 years in Colorado and there were around 27,000 in 08 and 28,000 in 09. Seems like a reasonable variation to me and not patrols on the hunt to increase revenues in our state anyway.

StuntmanMike · 03-31-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hamidar05

Whatever, science and human error is on my side if I'm not grossly violating a speed limit.. see you in court....

Every ticket, no matter how small, goes to my lawyer.

StuntmanMike · 03-31-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno2SS

The local news station here in Colorado picked up the story and showed stats from the previous 2 years in Colorado and there were around 27,000 in 08 and 28,000 in 09. Seems like a reasonable variation to me and not patrols on the hunt to increase revenues in our state anyway.

As I understand it, the gist of the article was merely to let people know that while they may have gotten a cushion in the past (and thus come to expect it) they should not expect the same as the economy worsens. That's all I got from the article.

balthazar · 04-01-2010, 12:27 AM

Another topic where we spend three pages making overly complex mountains out of molehills.

99% of the time the following is going to be the case:

You get pulled over by Highway patrol. These guys get bad raps for being "major a$$holes" but in my opinion there is NO incentive to be one. These guys get the drug runners, the really dangerous people with a LOT to lose, and they deal with every jackhole in the STATE not just a county or city. These guys tend to not be very lenient because honestly, if you had to deal with the crap they do...the fact you are armed would not bode well for people.

However these are about the ONLY law enforcement officers who would be hearing directly from "the state" about their ticketing practices, and when you are already pretty strict, more strict isn't a big difference. So that ones moot.

You get pulled over by a county cop. Again these guys tend to deal with more crap than city/municipality officers but the thing you have going for you is they also tend to have what us smarmy jerks like to call "real police work to be doing". So probably 8 times out of 10 you have to be driving in front of them without plates or weaving in traffic or just generally drawing a few concentric circles on your a$$. These guys are also going to be getting direction from the county and not the state, AND in my experience tend not to be quite as strict as staties.

Now we come to the dreaded city/municipality cops.

THESE guys are why we have threads like this most times. Note I say most because, uh, saying "all" of ANYTHING is never going to be accurate. not all cops are bad, not all lawyers are bloodsucking leeches who are better off after a couple passes through a woodchipper, etc. etc.

These guys are the ones who are backed up by the city where you cross into their jurisdiction and suddenly the speed limit drops from 45-30 on a pristine flat straight stretch of road for only one reason, money. However these cops aren't the ones setting the speed limit that way, city council does that. And those are among the most rank and amateur of all politicians, which is handy info to know when it comes time to lean on them.

There never was a cushion in situations like that, so it will never "be reduced" and it has nothing to do with the recession (though they might use that as an excuse) and everything to do with some podunk jackass city council trying to grab money.

Out here there WAS (HAHAHAHA SUCKERS, knew you'd get yours!) an area, called St. George. Those cops were AWFUL, and the city council supporting them doubly so. I remember the first time I drove through St. George, they had FOUR cop cars to pull over one early 90's....toyota or something, just an average car. And they had two teenagers, a boy and a girl, up against the trunk with their hands on the trunk with TWO guys who had assault rifles pointed NEARLY at them.

I remembering thinking "wow, what a lovely place..." followed by "surely these kids must be hardcore drug mules with anuses simply overflowing with cocaine! (as it turned out, they didn't end up being charged with anything at all)

One of the ones that finally got St. George shut down (after literally YEARS of complaints and finally a change in the members of the city council) was this: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp

So, to sum up. No, the states aren't telling officers to crack down. Yes, PLENTY of tickets are written for revenue purposes. No, it has nothing to do with the economy (or very, very, little). Yes, speeding is against the law so no matter what you shouldn't go out driving expecting a "cushion" so none of this SHOULD matter to you anyways as you SHOULD be an adult so you shouldn't NEED to be told this (but not shockingly many do). No, not all cops are a**holes so can we please stop acting like people who don't make HALF what I make for sitting on my a$$ not being shot at in the nice heated/air conditioned office environment and are the only ones you can RELY on to show up, BE shot at, and try to save your ass should you ever need it are just in it for a quick buck or to powertrip upside your head?

There are plenty of good and bad examples for everything. And most of the, frankly, pointless debate on should we be pissed, should we not, should there be a cushion, etc. etc. etc. (not everything here btw, just the dense bits) is just a waste of damned time.

And I for one am glad as HELL that there is a 0% chance of me having to go to a murder scene, or deal with domestic disturbances, or interact with drug dealers, or wear a freakin' bulletproof vest FOR A REASON when I go to work.

So lets all, with our nice sports cars, stop whining abut a $150 (or so) ticket that we can have fixed, we'll burn the bad cops when they out themselves, but lets give the rest of them a little slack huh?

Of EVERYTHING I'm spending money on these days, the fact that SOME cops MIGHT need to bring in a little extra money thanks to budget cuts they didn't cause, doesn't ruffle my feathers too bad.

Now when I can't fix tickets anymore, THEN I'll be pissed.

Anyway, I was bored, sorry about the length.

balthazar · 04-01-2010, 12:33 AM

p.s.: I am not a cop, don't know any cops, I've gotten one speeding ticket in my life from a state trooper doing 94 in a 60 (2am, and BOY was I doing more than that lol, I knew it was stupid and I pulled over before he even left the shoulder lol, and the only words out of my mouth that werent answers to his questions were "thank" and "you", coulda given me a ticket for tint, front plate, even a slightly expired rear ticket, coulda hauled me to jail, but even being a STATIE he just said "I'm only giving you a ticket for the speed because it was the only dangerous thing you were doing".)

I got pulled over for tint once and along with my payment I sent a letter stating how professional the cop was and how, even though I got a ticket lol, I felt the need to inform his superiors that the guy was truly professional.

EVERYONE bitches about cops, but when is the last time you thanked one?

And btw, no, I've never been "saved" by a cop or any such thing. I dated one once, she was hot, but aside from that...

StuntmanMike · 04-01-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by balthazar

One of the ones that finally got St. George shut down (after literally YEARS of complaints and finally a change in the members of the city council) was this: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp

I remember that. I saw the video right after it happened. That kinda stuff makes me want a camera in my car as well.

04-01-2010, 12:27 AM	#54
balthazar Drives: Black 2SS/RS w/Ground Effects Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: West County, MO Posts: 346	Another topic where we spend three pages making overly complex mountains out of molehills. 99% of the time the following is going to be the case: You get pulled over by Highway patrol. These guys get bad raps for being "major a$$holes" but in my opinion there is NO incentive to be one. These guys get the drug runners, the really dangerous people with a LOT to lose, and they deal with every jackhole in the STATE not just a county or city. These guys tend to not be very lenient because honestly, if you had to deal with the crap they do...the fact you are armed would not bode well for people. However these are about the ONLY law enforcement officers who would be hearing directly from "the state" about their ticketing practices, and when you are already pretty strict, more strict isn't a big difference. So that ones moot. You get pulled over by a county cop. Again these guys tend to deal with more crap than city/municipality officers but the thing you have going for you is they also tend to have what us smarmy jerks like to call "real police work to be doing". So probably 8 times out of 10 you have to be driving in front of them without plates or weaving in traffic or just generally drawing a few concentric circles on your a$$. These guys are also going to be getting direction from the county and not the state, AND in my experience tend not to be quite as strict as staties. Now we come to the dreaded city/municipality cops. THESE guys are why we have threads like this most times. Note I say most because, uh, saying "all" of ANYTHING is never going to be accurate. not all cops are bad, not all lawyers are bloodsucking leeches who are better off after a couple passes through a woodchipper, etc. etc. These guys are the ones who are backed up by the city where you cross into their jurisdiction and suddenly the speed limit drops from 45-30 on a pristine flat straight stretch of road for only one reason, money. However these cops aren't the ones setting the speed limit that way, city council does that. And those are among the most rank and amateur of all politicians, which is handy info to know when it comes time to lean on them. There never was a cushion in situations like that, so it will never "be reduced" and it has nothing to do with the recession (though they might use that as an excuse) and everything to do with some podunk jackass city council trying to grab money. Out here there WAS (HAHAHAHA SUCKERS, knew you'd get yours!) an area, called St. George. Those cops were AWFUL, and the city council supporting them doubly so. I remember the first time I drove through St. George, they had FOUR cop cars to pull over one early 90's....toyota or something, just an average car. And they had two teenagers, a boy and a girl, up against the trunk with their hands on the trunk with TWO guys who had assault rifles pointed NEARLY at them. I remembering thinking "wow, what a lovely place..." followed by "surely these kids must be hardcore drug mules with anuses simply overflowing with cocaine! (as it turned out, they didn't end up being charged with anything at all) One of the ones that finally got St. George shut down (after literally YEARS of complaints and finally a change in the members of the city council) was this: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp So, to sum up. No, the states aren't telling officers to crack down. Yes, PLENTY of tickets are written for revenue purposes. No, it has nothing to do with the economy (or very, very, little). Yes, speeding is against the law so no matter what you shouldn't go out driving expecting a "cushion" so none of this SHOULD matter to you anyways as you SHOULD be an adult so you shouldn't NEED to be told this (but not shockingly many do). No, not all cops are a**holes so can we please stop acting like people who don't make HALF what I make for sitting on my a$$ not being shot at in the nice heated/air conditioned office environment and are the only ones you can RELY on to show up, BE shot at, and try to save your ass should you ever need it are just in it for a quick buck or to powertrip upside your head? There are plenty of good and bad examples for everything. And most of the, frankly, pointless debate on should we be pissed, should we not, should there be a cushion, etc. etc. etc. (not everything here btw, just the dense bits) is just a waste of damned time. And I for one am glad as HELL that there is a 0% chance of me having to go to a murder scene, or deal with domestic disturbances, or interact with drug dealers, or wear a freakin' bulletproof vest FOR A REASON when I go to work. So lets all, with our nice sports cars, stop whining abut a $150 (or so) ticket that we can have fixed, we'll burn the bad cops when they out themselves, but lets give the rest of them a little slack huh? Of EVERYTHING I'm spending money on these days, the fact that SOME cops MIGHT need to bring in a little extra money thanks to budget cuts they didn't cause, doesn't ruffle my feathers too bad. Now when I can't fix tickets anymore, THEN I'll be pissed. Anyway, I was bored, sorry about the length. __________________

04-01-2010, 12:33 AM	#55
balthazar Drives: Black 2SS/RS w/Ground Effects Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: West County, MO Posts: 346	p.s.: I am not a cop, don't know any cops, I've gotten one speeding ticket in my life from a state trooper doing 94 in a 60 (2am, and BOY was I doing more than that lol, I knew it was stupid and I pulled over before he even left the shoulder lol, and the only words out of my mouth that werent answers to his questions were "thank" and "you", coulda given me a ticket for tint, front plate, even a slightly expired rear ticket, coulda hauled me to jail, but even being a STATIE he just said "I'm only giving you a ticket for the speed because it was the only dangerous thing you were doing".) I got pulled over for tint once and along with my payment I sent a letter stating how professional the cop was and how, even though I got a ticket lol, I felt the need to inform his superiors that the guy was truly professional. EVERYONE bitches about cops, but when is the last time you thanked one? And btw, no, I've never been "saved" by a cop or any such thing. I dated one once, she was hot, but aside from that... __________________

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03-31-2010, 10:31 PM	#48
mrray13 Drives: 2010 1LT RS Rally Yellow Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: southern Illinois Posts: 2,973	My department has not been issued any order to drop the "cushion". Then again, we don't have to honor the "cushion" either. We are empowered to start writing at whatever speed we want to over the limit. Me? In town I'll give you 10, unless in a heavy residential area, then you get 7. Interstate depends on flow of traffic. If it's all moving fast, I'll allow more, if it is going slow, I allow less. No less then 10 however. No more then 15. Also doesn't mean you are always getting a ticket either. Revenue? Our department gets $42 out of every $75 ticket. If the ticket is more then $75, we get our $42 and whatever is over the $75, if my understanding of that is correct. Overtime? If you aren't scheduled during court hours, yes. if your shift falls during your scheduled court appearence, no. We have to go to all court appearences, no option otehr then illness, family emergency type stuff. I've been called to testify on 4 traffic only citations out of a few thousand I've written. The defendant only showed up once. So I'm 4-0, but 3 by default. Go figure, lol. I won't get into the Radar thing, but to say it is indeed tested at every stop. Calibrated yearly, and IMHO, can be wrong. If was humans who built it, correct? We are perfect, lol.

03-31-2010, 11:05 PM	#51
Inferno2SS Drives: 2010 IOM 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 797 View My Garage	The local news station here in Colorado picked up the story and showed stats from the previous 2 years in Colorado and there were around 27,000 in 08 and 28,000 in 09. Seems like a reasonable variation to me and not patrols on the hunt to increase revenues in our state anyway.