Toyota Customers Experience Unintended Acceleration Again

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Not even close...Toyota has set a new record for corruption, irresponsibility, ineptness, and general "low-ness". They, without a doubt, deserve every ounce of scrutiny they get right now.

Well, there was the Enron guys. They were the lowest of the low.... I don't quite think Toyota has hit that point yet. If they do, then help us all!

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

The NHTSA response is unprecedented in '78 Mother Jones magazine obtained the cost-benefit analysis that it said Ford had used to compare the cost of an $11 repair against the monetary value of a human life. But the NHTSA had to be pressured into asking for a recall for a flaw that lead to a higher fatality rate than today's problem. Skip forward to today Ford had its own brake problems with its hybrids similar to Toyota. But other than a blurb no press no outcry no public hearings.

I did some research and Toyota is really 1980's 1984 GM models: Regal, Century; El Camino, Caballero, Monte Carlo, Malibu, Cutlass, Le Mans, and Grand Prix had a small random wheel issue. Some times they would fall off. I wonder how many people that killed.

There were no congressional hearings in either case, nor did any CEO's go to congress to apologize.

And as far as the Tin foil hat comment. GM and the other two have pulled crap like this before. IN 1948 they used influence with a senator to bring false charges against Tucker in order to put him out of business rather than follow his lead to build safer cars to compete.

The investigations aren't over. So there is no way of knowing, at the moment, if Ford's Pinto had a bigger fatality rate than Toyota's effected models. Has Ford's hybrid killed people? Not that I'm aware of.

We don't know. Since you made the claim, why don't you give us a number.

That's probably because there was no public outcry for it to happen. The people were suprised that the supposedly safest, highest quality cars were killing people. Plus, they seem to be covering up the whole reason of why these problems were happening in the first place.

In 1949, Japan received a bailout and the Japanese government kicked out almost all foreign competition in order for Toyota to get backs on its feet again. I see your point, but I'm sure the Automotive Industry wasn't as heavily regulated as today's.

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by a_Username

There's one problem with your theory... The Government doesn't own Ford.

But the big three work together. What is good for GM vs. a foreign maker is generally good for the other two.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

But the big three work together. What is good for GM vs. a foreign maker is generally good for the other two.

So your conspiracy theory also involves a company that isn't associated with the government? Just because it is good for GM/Chrysler, doesn't automatically mean corruption.

[HeatherR]

And another one....

http://www.freep.com/article/2010030....Y.-police-say

[HeatherR]

Seriously...

Toyota is now joining in on the conspiracy theory

Like GM hasn't offered incentives before lol

From a Free Press Article...

In another sign of the pressure facing the automaker, its national dealer council accused GM of using “taxpayer dollars to fund…a nationwide predatory advertising campaign.” Shortly after Toyota launched its recalls last month, GM began a series of incentives for Toyota owners that now include 0% financing and up to $1,000 cash back.


“It is outrageous that GM is using our taxpayer dollars against us, making me and other Toyota dealers pay to undermine our own businesses,” said Paul Atkinson, president of the Toyota’s U.S. national dealer council.


GM’s move was matched by other automakers. Last week Toyota launched an incentive campaign of its own following a 9% drop in February sales, also offering no-interest loans and lease deals.


“We understand why Toyota dealers would be frustrated, but they know better,” said GM spokesman Kerry Christopher. “Incentives have always been a part of the auto business.”

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by HeatherR

Seriously...

Toyota is now joining in on the conspiracy theory

Like GM hasn't offered incentives before lol

From a Free Press Article...

In another sign of the pressure facing the automaker, its national dealer council accused GM of using “taxpayer dollars to fund…a nationwide predatory advertising campaign.” Shortly after Toyota launched its recalls last month, GM began a series of incentives for Toyota owners that now include 0% financing and up to $1,000 cash back.


“It is outrageous that GM is using our taxpayer dollars against us, making me and other Toyota dealers pay to undermine our own businesses,” said Paul Atkinson, president of the Toyota’s U.S. national dealer council.


GM’s move was matched by other automakers. Last week Toyota launched an incentive campaign of its own following a 9% drop in February sales, also offering no-interest loans and lease deals.


“We understand why Toyota dealers would be frustrated, but they know better,” said GM spokesman Kerry Christopher. “Incentives have always been a part of the auto business.”

If I was a spokesperson for GM, then I would say, "Welcome to capitalism."

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by HeatherR

Seriously...

Toyota is now joining in on the conspiracy theory

Like GM hasn't offered incentives before lol

From a Free Press Article...

In another sign of the pressure facing the automaker, its national dealer council accused GM of using “taxpayer dollars to fund…a nationwide predatory advertising campaign.” Shortly after Toyota launched its recalls last month, GM began a series of incentives for Toyota owners that now include 0% financing and up to $1,000 cash back.


“It is outrageous that GM is using our taxpayer dollars against us, making me and other Toyota dealers pay to undermine our own businesses,” said Paul Atkinson, president of the Toyota’s U.S. national dealer council.


GM’s move was matched by other automakers. Last week Toyota launched an incentive campaign of its own following a 9% drop in February sales, also offering no-interest loans and lease deals.


“We understand why Toyota dealers would be frustrated, but they know better,” said GM spokesman Kerry Christopher. “Incentives have always been a part of the auto business.”

They're liars. They'd say anything to make money. Doesn't this whole mess demonstrate that for us? They lied about prioritizing safety when in fact they prioritized saving money instead. The only truth is their slogan because you're moving forward whether you like it or not.

GM has always offered incentives, including ones called Conquest, meaning that GM wants a piece of someone else's pie. Incentives, known as sales in other industries, are about as normal as seeing clouds in the sky.

Everyone, please remove your tin foil hats. There's no conspiracy. It's a catastrophic failure on the part of Toyota, and we have every right and obligation for our own safety and that of our families to hold Toyota accountable so that these incidents do not continue. I don't want to have a runaway Toyota kill one of my loved ones, and I don't want anyone else to suffer that fate already suffered by too many involved in accidents with runaway Toyotas.

[Zeus]

Now WOULD be a great time to buy a Toyota....


Imagine how that negotiation would go.


"I'll give you ten dollars."

"Are you crazy??"

"I must be if I'm buying a Toyota!"

[Christiancoach]

I somehow doubt putting a Prius into neutral at wide open throttle would have much of an effect. The "runaway" Prius got up to 90mph! Oh no! If my car throttle stuck wide open, let's just say the cop would catch up to me!

[Lauryn200]

Originally Posted by a_Username

There's one problem with your theory... The Government doesn't own Ford.

LOLOLOL...............and Chrysler has paid back the goverment money.....

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Christiancoach

I somehow doubt putting a Prius into neutral at wide open throttle would have much of an effect. The "runaway" Prius got up to 90mph! Oh no! If my car throttle stuck wide open, let's just say the cop would catch up to me!

Personally, if my car started doing that and I couldn't turn it off, put it in neutral, AND the brakes weren't working, I'd be looking for the nearest guardrail and just GRIND that sucker to a stop. At that point I really wouldn't care about the damage to the paint, as I'd be making more than enough money on the pending lawsuit to buy a new car

[Coldpants]

Latest news on Prius that went out of control in cali. The guy DID NOT try to put the car in neutral and DID NOT attempt to turn the car off even after being advised to do so by 911.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Personally, if my car started doing that and I couldn't turn it off, put it in neutral, AND the brakes weren't working, I'd be looking for the nearest guardrail and just GRIND that sucker to a stop. At that point I really wouldn't care about the damage to the paint, as I'd be making more than enough money on the pending lawsuit to buy a new car

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