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[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

I like the Terrain a lot. Sad to see the G8 go but there is still hope for a rebadge. Where's the CTS coupe?

CTS Coupe is delayed until 2011 model year.

Originally Posted by shank0668

So is Pontiac dead? Or are they keeping the vibe to keep the name and if all goes well bring them back?

Vibe's around just because of contractual agreements with toyota.

And don't fret...GM may sell off Pontiac after all.

[FenwickHockey65]

For all you boys complaining about the death of the G8, there may be something brewing in the works down under at Holden...

Current G8 = VE Commodore.

??? = VF Commodore.

Just a rumor so far...

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

WTF! Why does the camaro get the 3.6L DI motor standard and the CTS gets the 3.0? Even the SRX gets the 3.0L motor??? Talk about going backwards as the cars get heavier and need bigger engines.

I don't even want to talk about Pontiac.

Well, luckily they really stepped up the game with the Aveo-up to 108 hp. Who needs a Camaro when a beast like this is available?

Dude get a grip. Not every car needs the most horsepower in the world. The base engine in the CTS used to be the non-DI 3.6 which made about as much horsepower (though less torque) as the new DI 3.0L, but the new engine is more efficient. More MPG for similar power? Win-win. Size isn't everything. The 3.0L and 3.6L DI engines are pretty comparable and competitive with equivalent engines in BMW and Mercedes models. Where's the problem? And what the hell is wrong with the Aveo's power? Its an econobox. No one buys them for the performance. It too is competitive on power with its competitors, and no one cares about performance in that class anyway. Now that's not to say the Aveo isn't crappy - it is, and the Fit destroys it and the Fiesta soon will. Still, the power isn't the thing to be pissed about.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Dude get a grip. Not every car needs the most horsepower in the world. The base engine in the CTS used to be the non-DI 3.6 which made about as much horsepower (though less torque) as the new DI 3.0L, but the new engine is more efficient. More MPG for similar power? Win-win. Size isn't everything. The 3.0L and 3.6L DI engines are pretty comparable and competitive with equivalent engines in BMW and Mercedes models. Where's the problem? And what the hell is wrong with the Aveo's power? Its an econobox. No one buys them for the performance. It too is competitive on power with its competitors, and no one cares about performance in that class anyway. Now that's not to say the Aveo isn't crappy - it is, and the Fit destroys it and the Fiesta soon will. Still, the power isn't the thing to be pissed about.

I was just joking about the Aveo, I could care less. I have driven the SRX with the 3.6L non-DI motor and it is a big vehicle. It does need that much displacement for me to consider it, and I don't understand why the $23k Camaro has the 3.6L DI motor standard and these two significantly upscale heavier vehicles get the 3.0L motor. The SRX used to be a reasonable tow vehicle and to put this small motor in it feels like a mistake based on its weight. This motor will have to work very hard to move this car. I'm mad about the CTS because I thought the 3.6L DI motor would be standard now that the base camaro gets it, and at this level I think it should be standard.

Oh and a front wheel drive SRX? That deserves another madface

[FenwickHockey65]

If you can build an SRX that doesn't affect GM's CAFE average, please go right ahead.

[bballr4567]

Cant the SRX be had with the Haldex AWD system?? Im sorry the new 3.0 DI is better than the 3.6 and only gives up 40 or so HP. Not a big problem at all and Im sure that nobody buying it will notice.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by bballr4567

Cant the SRX be had with the Haldex AWD system?? Im sorry the new 3.0 DI is better than the 3.6 and only gives up 40 or so HP. Not a big problem at all and Im sure that nobody buying it will notice.

Yes it does have the Haldex system.

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

I was just joking about the Aveo, I could care less. I have driven the SRX with the 3.6L non-DI motor and it is a big vehicle. It does need that much displacement for me to consider it, and I don't understand why the $23k Camaro has the 3.6L DI motor standard and these two significantly upscale heavier vehicles get the 3.0L motor. The SRX used to be a reasonable tow vehicle and to put this small motor in it feels like a mistake based on its weight. This motor will have to work very hard to move this car. I'm mad about the CTS because I thought the 3.6L DI motor would be standard now that the base camaro gets it, and at this level I think it should be standard.

Oh and a front wheel drive SRX? That deserves another madface

The new SRX is much, much smaller than the old one. The old one was, IIRC, Sigma based, allowed for 3 row seating, and could accomodate a V8. It was basically a tall CTS wagon. The new SRX is built on Theta Premium, 2 row seating only, and V6 only. It is more comparable to the Lexus RX and if you look at its engines you'll see output is very comparable. As I said before, the 3.0L DI offers nearly as much power as the non-DI 3.6L. Size isn't the only determinant of power. The uplevel engine is even smaller at 2.8L, but it is turbocharged. Imagine that, decreasing engine size but increasing output. Get used to it - that is the future.

BTW, the Camaro gets the 3.6L DI standard because it is a sports coupe built for performance, whereas small crossover buyers are more interested in fuel economy.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

If you can build an SRX that doesn't affect GM's CAFE average, please go right ahead.

I understand what is going on and why they are making these moves. Am I allowed to be upset about it?

Originally Posted by stovt001

The new SRX is much, much smaller than the old one. The old one was, IIRC, Sigma based, allowed for 3 row seating, and could accomodate a V8. It was basically a tall CTS wagon. The new SRX is built on Theta Premium, 2 row seating only, and V6 only. It is more comparable to the Lexus RX and if you look at its engines you'll see output is very comparable. As I said before, the 3.0L DI offers nearly as much power as the non-DI 3.6L. Size isn't the only determinant of power. The uplevel engine is even smaller at 2.8L, but it is turbocharged. Imagine that, decreasing engine size but increasing output. Get used to it - that is the future.

BTW, the Camaro gets the 3.6L DI standard because it is a sports coupe built for performance, whereas small crossover buyers are more interested in fuel economy.

It is the future being forced on me, and I don't have to like it. This is not market driven, it is govt driven. I can understand Chevy or Buick offering a FWD crossover, but Cadillac is supposed to compete with BMW mid-size suv's etc, they are basically giving up on what I think made the SRX a nice combination to start with. The Lexus RX is a girl's car ONLY and now so is the SRX. I won't be buying a wrong wheel drive car anytime soon, much less anything similar to a Lexus RX. I am not saying the 3.0 DI is a bad motor, but I still don't think it is well suited to a high end crossover/SUV/whatever like the SRX.

I hope they sell the crap out of them and make a killing, I just wouldn't buy one with these changes.

[FenwickHockey65]

^^^ Lexus RX is also the segment leader in sales.

Cadillac can follow the X3/X5 and gather a limited following...or go after the sales leader. I don't like the fact that it's FWD either, but if that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do.

[bballr4567]

Does anybody know the sales number for the SRX last year?

[FenwickHockey65]

2008 Cadillac SRX: 16,156 units sold.

[bballr4567]

Thats not very many AT ALL. What did the RX sale?

NVM Found it.

08 RX sales: 84,181
08 SRX sales: 16,156


Ouch.

[FenwickHockey65]

^^

Mmhmm.

I HATE toyota's media website by the way. It's annoying as hell to navigate. I can't find their sales figures to save my life.