Feds Propose Making Black Boxes Standard In New Cars

[pocketcthulhu]

Originally Posted by Mr. iNCREDIBLE

Things are already headed this way with those idiotic ODB plug in deals that several insurance companies are promoting, optional now, but at some point they may become mandatory, and I suspect it will be tied directly into this regulation/law.

ODB III is the first step in this direction, and at some point I suspect it will happen.

The Instant my insurance company even suggests that to me I will be shopping for new insurance, they might as well hire a nanny to sit in the car and tell you how to drive.

[Birm]

Originally Posted by CHMSC

We don't need big brother in our lives anymore than they already are. They listen to our phone calls, check our emails and peek every dam where. Yes they are in most cars but bb is getting ridiculous in what is supposed to be a free county.

Just another one of our freedoms taken away by our already overly intrusive government.

[mjross]

Yawn..........

[tonyko1]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

This is the wrong attitude. Think about it. You're not dealing drugs are you? Well good, you don;t mind if the police just come in and do a random search do you? You do? Why? if you're not doing anything WRONG, why would you mind?

Now look, I don't mind the black box for the purposes that so many advocates claim- finding out better ways of making cars safer, etc. But I strongly disagree with the way that private citizens are having their actions monitored all the time. It is, in the USA, expected that a private citizen can expect reasonable privacy.

This is why you have legal concerns over say wiretaps.

Now you might say "this is different". No. In concept it is not. if you think it is 'different', then go back to the drug dealing example and read it again. And don;t look at it as "I don't deal drugs". That's not the point. Look at it as "why should I be monitored if it's assumed I'm doing nothing wrong?"

People are routinely giving up their privacy in the name of 'safety' or some other thing that is on the surface OK. But if you for one second think that it ends with that 'good thing', then you are fooling yourself.

I don't get all bent out of shape over the box in my car, but it boils my blood when I hear somebody say "well if you're not doing anything wrong it doesn't matter". That's the same as "why protest if you've nothing to hide?".

I recommend that you start questioning why you feel it's OK to be monitored in the first place.

+ 1, good job , thanks.

We all have a GM Blackbox called OnStar that wants $$$ per month, depending upon your plan and how many times you say no.

[Ucantctchme]

The recorded data is stored before and after an air bag deployment. It's not easy to get. It would likely take a manufacturer to get the info and would require a warrant (court order) to obtain. It's not for fender benders. It's there for issues like vehicular homicide etc. Even then the cause of collision would probably be obvious and not require stored data.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by Birm

Just another one of our freedoms taken away by our already overly intrusive government.

Originally Posted by upflying

Regrettably, a majority of Americans want "more government".
Be prepared to give up your freedoms and liberties. Black box discussions is just the tip of the iceberg.

Seeing the poll so far not too many people are pleased with it. But, what can you do? Either buy an car before 1990 or tamper with it and deal with the problems head on.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by cmb74656

53% of Americans who bothered to vote in the most recent election would disagree with you.

That certainly doesn't make them the smart ones.


Norm

[mlee]

Pull out your Tin Foil hats and dream up conspriacy theories all you want, but please keep the political comments out of this thread.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by mlee

Pull out your Tin Foil hats and dream up conspriacy theories all you want, but please keep the political comments out of this thread.

Roger that Mike

[Mutant Racer]

Originally Posted by Comrando

About 15 years ago the FBI had a tap on our phone. Our daughter was a typical teenaged high school girl and spent HOURS on the phone every night. I'll bet it drove the people listening crazy

Oh no I can only imagine the torture. She was right at that age were teen girls use one word constantly in conversation. The "like" syndrome at its peak. All of my nieces have that issue and I can't deal with it.

Those poor agents.

[tonyko1]

Wanting to keep other's out of your business and not allowing abuses of power is not political, it part our rights, regardless of politics.

[Nessal]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Your example is WAY off in left field from what's going on.

In order to be searched law enforcement must have probable cause, you house can't just be randomly searched. If you don't do or deal drugs then they will never have probable cause and thus can never search your house. The black box is covered under the same privacy laws that searching your house falls under. They can't just randomly read it.

Actually no. He is addressing the fact that a previous poster have no issues with being monitored because he says that he hasn't done anything wrong. It is on the same lines as having your property searched without a warranty. Just because it is in different degrees does not mean that the concept is not the same.

[Angrybird 12]

It's the insurance companies that are the driving force behind this. Not only could the info be used to hang you, it could be used to exonerate you of any wrongdoing... Since its already in 96% of new cars you are only talking about putting it in another 4%. I think any legislation should include the provision they have to have the owners permission to retrieve the data. Best thing to do is contact your congressmen and senators and let your concerns be known.
Silence is a vote of acceptance.

[Nessal]

Well in CA, I believe you technically don't need insurance to drive as long as you have a $35k deposit made to the DMV. I don't think many people know that.

Second, last I heard most people around here don't drive with insurance anyways. I believe something in the range of 25% and above.