Chevy Vs Ford Debate

[ArcAngel]

Hey man I'm sorry I have to but what we have now is NOT GM its some crappy conglomerate of govt and UAW that isnt gonna resemble an american automaker for a long while so i can't bring myself to do it , it pains me but at least I' staying American!

[fdjizm]

ahh arc man your going to get banned for that lmao.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Elvisuperman

WTF???

That about sums it up....

Misinformation is the no. 1 cause of percieved idiocy....then it gets compounded with assumptions and false ideals....

[djsnoflake]

Yeah Ford is better than the other North American car makers because their company went so broke that they had to take out a loan a year BEFORE the economic crisis. Once again you are so right.

/sarcasm off

And on a serious note, once again ArcAngel flies off on a tangent about something, going from 0 to freakout in 2.9 seconds and spouting off with crap that magically appears from the recesses of his mind somewhere.

On another note, these Ford vs Chevy vs a Hamster threads always end in bad.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by djsnoflake

Yeah Ford is better than the other North American car makers because their company went so broke that they had to take out a loan a year BEFORE the economic crisis. Once again you are so right.

So just submitting to bankruptcy and/or a government take over was a better option?

[vladkgb]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

It's a stupid argument to say ford can't make a good NA engine. And it's stupid to say Chevy needs more displacement. Both companies are very capable. They choose different ways for different reasons. Look at the Australian line of 5.4's, the engines put out over 420 HP, just like the LS3's. And Chevy did supercharge their Corvette to run with the Viper, which had a huge advantage because of their displacement.

sir, the stock c6 z06 destroys the vipers. chevy put a blower on their vette to make sure it smokes every other production car as well, not to compete with the viper which they left in the dust a long time ago.

[vladkgb]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

did you know the 2010 gt500 gets 23mpg with 540 hp?

IMO ford never gave the mustang more power because it didnt make a difference in sales... so it didnt really matter... 200 or 500 hp it sold and thats what their business is... i doubt they care about muscleheads that buy cars for HP as much as the general public...

did u know if u put a blower on a ls3 (even ls1) u can make more than 540 BHP and get even higher gas mileage at lower boost and a motor which was not even built for boost?

My little ls1 makes 455rwhp (591bhp (30% drivetrain loss)) with p1sc procharger @ 5psi everything else stock

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by vladkgb

did u know if u put a blower on a ls3 (even ls1) u can make more than 540 BHP and get even higher gas mileage at lower boost and a motor which was not even built for boost?

My little ls1 makes 455rwhp (591bhp (30% drivetrain loss)) with p1sc procharger @ 5psi everything else stock

The compression actually helps it attain those numbers on low boost. But it also limits it in being able to sustain higher boost levels.

An example would be if you throw 8lbs of boost on a 4.6 DOHC MaCh1, it's going to make MUCH more power than the stock 03/04 4.6 DOHC Cobra. With the newer aftermarket blowers, the 4.6's are pushing 650-700 rwhp now without even lifing a valve cover and on pump gas. Now crank your boost up, see if your engine will come close. And that's the lil 4.6. The 5.4 engine is superior still.


And how did you come up with 30% driveline loss for you camaro??? my BB Galaxy loses way less than that, and that's pushing through a 9" rear end and a C6 transmission (strong but probably the most inefficient transmission EVER).

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by vladkgb

sir, the stock c6 z06 destroys the vipers. chevy put a blower on their vette to make sure it smokes every other production car as well, not to compete with the viper which they left in the dust a long time ago.

Your kidding me, right? Instead of pulling things out of your ass, maybe do a little research, mmkay?

The Viper beat the ZR1's time around the nurburgring, 7:22 vs 7:26.

My argument still stands. And it's still a stupid debate.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by vladkgb

sir, the stock c6 z06 destroys the vipers. chevy put a blower on their vette to make sure it smokes every other production car as well, not to compete with the viper which they left in the dust a long time ago.

I havent seen any stock c6 z06's running 10s like the viper is....good try though...

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by vladkgb

sir, the stock c6 z06 destroys the vipers. chevy put a blower on their vette to make sure it smokes every other production car as well, not to compete with the viper which they left in the dust a long time ago.

thats that kool-aid talking again... none of what you just said was true in reality.

[djsnoflake]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

Your kidding me, right? Instead of pulling things out of your ass, maybe do a little research, mmkay?

The Viper beat the ZR1's time around the nurburgring, 7:22 vs 7:26.

My argument still stands. And it's still a stupid debate.

I know that it won't make that big of a difference to some people, but the ZR1 that ran 4 SECONDS slower also had a radio, air conditioning, a passenger seat, stock (Non adjustable) suspension and non adjustable aero parts. The viper did not, it was basically a race car.

I'll take the 'slower' car that I could drive on a daily basis, thanks very much.

(I did my research and that did not come from my rectum )

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by djsnoflake

I know that it won't make that big of a difference to some people, but the ZR1 that ran 4 SECONDS slower also had a radio, air conditioning, a passenger seat, stock (Non adjustable) suspension and non adjustable aero parts. The viper did not, it was basically a race car.

I'll take the 'slower' car that I could drive on a daily basis, thanks very much.

(I did my research and that did not come from my rectum )

I personally don't know which I would take, I'd probably just flip a coin.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by djsnoflake

I know that it won't make that big of a difference to some people, but the ZR1 that ran 4 SECONDS slower also had a radio, air conditioning, a passenger seat, stock (Non adjustable) suspension and non adjustable aero parts. The viper did not, it was basically a race car.

I'll take the 'slower' car that I could drive on a daily basis, thanks very much.

(I did my research and that did not come from my rectum )

the viper is a stock viper acr...they sell it on showroom floors and is built in the fsctory just like every other car. no excuses cmon....you guys are better than that.