The earth is growing?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Georgie

of course if is a wonderful word, what if we could fly what if we could make this car go faster

it helps lead into how and why and all those good things, don't discount if

Yup, and while almost all great works of science and engineering are based off of some guy saying "well, what if ..." and the rest of the time its a woman that says it. It also leads to a lot of nonsensical hypothetical situations.

[Georgie]

yep, if is definetely a double edged sword

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ok, assuming the rest of the theory were plausible. How about the moon. Surely a shrunken earth couldn't create the type of gravitational orbit condition for a mass the size of the moon to hold it in orbit. And then push it into a further or wider orbit as the earth grew without pulling the moon in on it's self. Or pushing it away.

If not then the moon would have had to be introduced at a later time.

I was going to mentioned the Moon however then you have people saying "When the Moon was created, it had a much lower orbit then it does now. This is because the Earth at the time didn't have the mass and the gravity to hold the Moon still so it drifted out gradually until the Earth became the size it is now and now it has the gravity to hold the Moon in orbit." Which we know is all since even now the Moon is drifting out into outer space.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by kdbolt70

Edit: Oh boy, I just read how he explained the expansion: "His divergence from older versions of Expanded Earth is his proposed mechanism of expansion, in which new mass is created by some sort of electron/positron pair production within the core of the Earth." So the earth is creating matter now. Interesting.

Awe, well it was fun while it lasted. Though, just because he has some extreme idea doesn't mean that a toned down and refined theory based on his won't pan out.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

I was going to mentioned the Moon however then you have people saying "When the Moon was created, it had a much lower orbit then it does now. This is because the Earth at the time didn't have the mass and the gravity to hold the Moon still so it drifted out gradually until the Earth became the size it is now and now it has the gravity to hold the Moon in orbit." Which we know is all since even now the Moon is drifting out into outer space.

Maybe they were a binary system and something caused the earth to become dominant. Though as to what i couldn't even begin to speculate.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ok, assuming the rest of the theory were plausible. How about the moon. Surely a shrunken earth couldn't create the type of gravitational orbit condition for a mass the size of the moon to hold it in orbit. And then push it into a further or wider orbit as the earth grew without pulling the moon in on it's self. Or pushing it away.

If not then the moon would have had to be introduced at a later time.

There are so many concepts about life and the way the Universe works it is hard to imagine God's master plan for the world and the Universe outside of the book of Genesis in the Holy Bible which I truly believe in faith. The moon has to be taken into account into this growing Earth theory and it really isn't. However it is interesting and no more credible than the currently accepted Pangaea and tectonic plates theory.

I've often contemplated that our solar system resembles an atom. With the sun as the nucleus and the planets being electrons. Or our earth as a nucleus and the moon as an electron while both combined connected to another object like the sun making up a larger molecule. This theory would either make our galaxy or our Earth a molecule and the universe would be something even greater in God's master plan, something we could not possible contemplate or grasp.

Just like we can't magnify molecules making them large enough to see details, we can't look out with even the largest telescopes and what the Universe is actually made of unless it gives off light. There could be liquid out there that does not give off light, we will never know... What we do know are that Comets are giant snowballs that if they land on a giant piece of rock like the moon, who's to say when the conditions are right that an atmosphere won't form on a lifeless ball of dust just because of one iceball comet? I believe in God and the Universe it too perfectly put together to be an accident. It is amazing that the more theories people come up with, the more questions get raised.. I just wonder why more and mroe scientists teach theory as if it was fact.. That is what upsets me..This growing Earth theory may or may not be partially true.. It is fun to discuss what we believe or not... It does make you think about things if nothing else..

[Arne]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ok, assuming the rest of the theory were plausible. How about the moon. Surely a shrunken earth couldn't create the type of gravitational orbit condition for a mass the size of the moon to hold it in orbit.

Just because the earth might have been smaller doesn't mean that it had less mass...and if it had the same amount of mass then the gravity would have been greater. Even if it has less mass it also had a smaller radius, so depending on the ratio it may have had the exact same gravity. I'm sure someone out there much more mathematically enthusiastic than me could figure out what the gravity changes would have to be to explain any distance change in the orbit of the moon.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Arne

Just because the earth might have been smaller doesn't mean that it had less mass...and if it had the same amount of mass then the gravity would have been greater. Even if it has less mass it also had a smaller radius, so depending on the ratio it may have had the exact same gravity. I'm sure someone out there much more mathematically enthusiastic than me could figure out what the gravity changes would have to be to explain any distance change in the orbit of the moon.

Welcome to Camaro5

I don't know any of this stuff. Just offering up some food for thought.

Interesting thread for your first post. 09' Chally, sweet.

[Number 3]

The universe doesn't rotate around the earth?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The universe doesn't rotate around the earth?

Nope, apparently it revolves around California.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by Supermans

There are so many concepts about life and the way the Universe works it is hard to imagine God's master plan for the world and the Universe outside of the book of Genesis in the Holy Bible which I truly believe in faith. The moon has to be taken into account into this growing Earth theory and it really isn't. However it is interesting and no more credible than the currently accepted Pangaea and tectonic plates theory.

I've often contemplated that our solar system resembles an atom. With the sun as the nucleus and the planets being electrons. Or our earth as a nucleus and the moon as an electron while both combined connected to another object like the sun making up a larger molecule. This theory would either make our galaxy or our Earth a molecule and the universe would be something even greater in God's master plan, something we could not possible contemplate or grasp.

Just like we can't magnify molecules making them large enough to see details, we can't look out with even the largest telescopes and what the Universe is actually made of unless it gives off light. There could be liquid out there that does not give off light, we will never know... What we do know are that Comets are giant snowballs that if they land on a giant piece of rock like the moon, who's to say when the conditions are right that an atmosphere won't form on a lifeless ball of dust just because of one iceball comet? I believe in God and the Universe it too perfectly put together to be an accident. It is amazing that the more theories people come up with, the more questions get raised.. I just wonder why more and mroe scientists teach theory as if it was fact.. That is what upsets me..This growing Earth theory may or may not be partially true.. It is fun to discuss what we believe or not... It does make you think about things if nothing else..

The Big Bang Theory could be incorporated into a theory of a fractal universe forever contained within and containing others.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The universe doesn't rotate around the earth?

my universe rotates around the camaro

[kdbolt70]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Welcome to Camaro5

I don't know any of this stuff. Just offering up some food for thought.

Interesting thread for your first post. 09' Chally, sweet.

Well, he's right and wrong, in a sense. I'll try to explain There is a very important mathematical equation that defines gravity:

F = GMm/R²

F is the Gravitational force
G is the Gravitational constant, 6.67*10^(-11) N-m²/kg².
M is the mass of object 1 (we'll say the earth)
m is the mass of object 2 (the moon)
R is the radius between the two object's center of gravity

The last part is important. Notice the equation says nothing about volume, or density. All that matters is mass (no pun intended :p). So, regardless of the earth's size, assuming it had the same mass, the moon would revolve around it at relatively the same distance. Whether the earth was the size of a basketball, or the size it is now. (granted if it was the former, it would probably end up as a black hole!)

Now, whats really interesting about the moon in this theory is its creation. Its believed that the moon was created from a very early collision between the earth and a meteor. A chunk of molten earth was blasted off in to space, and slowly coagulated into our modern day moon.

To do this, the meteor was pretty big in relation to the Earth, something like 1/4 the size of present day Earth. If earth had been much smaller, the metor would have had a much larger effect on our planet.

Also, why isn't the moon expanding?

[PQ]

Ok, so if I followed the equation right then .............................. I would be smart.

But, good question. Why isn't the moon expanding?

Anyone?