Urine test and well fare

[Xanthos]

So... is this thread really about the liquid waste products of a bunch of random dead beats?
- Xanthos

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by TFord

I understand where your coming from...and I understand why you can't understand where Im coming from. And thats understandable...lol Like I said I agree that there needs to be something done with those who abuse the system. That proposed method to me means that It would have to be assumed that all welfare recipients are drug abusers and you need to prove that your not to get assistance....If thats the case based on my life experience most police officers are crooked. So how about we have mini cameras, and recorders on police at all times to be reviewed daily, to ensure their performing their jobs properly? (Tag this isn't a jab at you...I'm just trying to explain my reasoning in a way it relates to you better ) essentially your punishing those who are doing the right thing as well as those who are in the wrong.

And on your point with education, low income areas dont have the same assets at their disposal as those areas that have higher income. I know first hand! There was a study on the news here and the said that "a person from chicago who graduates from high school in a low income area in chicago in the top 10% of his or her class and wants to become a doctor, on average will take 4 years longer because of the education gap." I personally worked 2 full time jobs in high school and pretty much was never there because I was at work. Luckilly I was blessed with some smarts, and Ive never failed any classes. But what about those who are in my situation what weren't as intelligent naturally? (not boasting at all, just being truthful)
What you see, or know of low income/welfare people isn't nearly the entire picture

I think I understand where you're coming from better than some as I a spent a decent amount of time living in the worst part of Miami. I'm not gonna give my life story as I tend to get long winded, but I get you (I think). The problem with your reasoning as i see it is that you think we're assuming that all people or even most people on welfare do drugs. We're saying that if even 20% do and we were able to remove them from the system, it would be better for everyone.

Exp. 100 welfare recipients.
Since you gave the figure of 15k we'll use that. That's $1250 per month to each person or a total of $125,000 given out to those 100 people per month. Say we drug test them all one month and spent $13,500 for the hair test. 20 of them fail. No checks for them for the next 3 months which would've been $75,000. That's a saving of $61,500. The people who pass didn't pay anything out of pocket, and weren't punished in any way. In fact we can probably give them a bit more since we're saving all this money anyway.
And eventually with the ineligibility after so many fails we'd begin to save money on the tests. Since we'll have to give out less of them.
The people who aren't doing anything wrong have nothing to worry about, and I think the minor inconvenience of stopping by a facility once every few months in negligible. In fact with all this drug testing the companies will need more workers which might create more jobs for some of those who need it.

My major issue is that tax payer and government money is being used to support the drug trade. This will help to slow that up a bit.

I really can't see the downside. If you do please tell me.

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

So... is this thread really about the liquid waste products of a bunch of random dead beats?
- Xanthos

No.

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

First off, AMEN! Drug test or no welfare check!!! This does not include the needy...those who are in need should get it.

SO you're saying that as long as someone NEEDS the money it's okay for them to do drugs?

[manimsoblack]

Also I think we should do the same with people using government housing or housing assistance.

[Xanthos]

I think welfare is a broken system and needs a lot more than drug tests to fix it.

But it doesn't really matter what I think anyway.
- Xanthos

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

I think I understand where you're coming from better than some as I a spent a decent amount of time living in the worst part of Miami. I'm not gonna give my life story as I tend to get long winded, but I get you (I think). The problem with your reasoning as i see it is that you think we're assuming that all people or even most people on welfare do drugs. We're saying that if even 20% do and we were able to remove them from the system, it would be better for everyone.

Exp. 100 welfare recipients.
Since you gave the figure of 15k we'll use that. That's $1250 per month to each person or a total of $125,000 given out to those 100 people per month. Say we drug test them all one month and spent $13,500 for the hair test. 20 of them fail. No checks for them for the next 3 months which would've been $75,000. That's a saving of $61,500. The people who pass didn't pay anything out of pocket, and weren't punished in any way. In fact we can probably give them a bit more since we're saving all this money anyway.
And eventually with the ineligibility after so many fails we'd begin to save money on the tests. Since we'll have to give out less of them.
The people who aren't doing anything wrong have nothing to worry about, and I think the minor inconvenience of stopping by a facility once every few months in negligible. In fact with all this drug testing the companies will need more workers which might create more jobs for some of those who need it.

My major issue is that tax payer and government money is being used to support the drug trade. This will help to slow that up a bit.

I really can't see the downside. If you do please tell me.

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

No.



SO you're saying that as long as someone NEEDS the money it's okay for them to do drugs?

NO..NO NO NO NO...Sorry...that came out wrong. I re-read that and it did sound bad. I meant that there are people who are worthy of welfare and need it. That is understandable. But, if you also read the other part of my post, I said that if the government were to keep giving out money to those who abuse drugs, they might as well be aiding or funding drug running...something that I"m COMPLETELY opposed to. There are people who do drugs who get the money and should not. Then, there are people who don't do drugs and deserve the money because they need it.

You explained it much better in your post above.

[TonytheTiger]

I am all for that bro, exactly what u said is what i believe and i bet there would be millions of dollars left over to pass on to better things that NEED help.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I think welfare is a broken system and needs a lot more than drug tests to fix it.

But it doesn't really matter what I think anyway.
- Xanthos

But if you say it loud enough and to the right people if it's a good idea it may get some consideration. Granted, I wouldn't put it past a congressperson to ignore this because a percentage of their votes came from people on welfare. I think the major rebuttal to the whole drug testing idea is that it may be an invasion of privacy or some other bs. But i think that the right is not waved, but augmented (for lack of a better word) when you start receiving government funding. I mean the government set rules for the loan to GM, why not some rules for the charity to citizens.

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

NO..NO NO NO NO...Sorry...that came out wrong. I re-read that and it did sound bad. I meant that there are people who are worthy of welfare and need it. That is understandable. But, if you also read the other part of my post, I said that if the government were to keep giving out money to those who abuse drugs, they might as well be aiding or funding drug running...something that I"m COMPLETELY opposed to. There are people who do drugs who get the money and should not. Then, there are people who don't do drugs and deserve the money because they need it.

You explained it much better in your post above.

Oh, ok. I gotchya.

[DGthe3]

My own idea for improving the welfare system is for the government to own a chain of stores that are roughly the equivalent of Walmart, but without tobacco or alcohol and an expanded grocery section. Pretty much everything you need, and cheap. Now, half the welfare money (or what ever the suitable amount works out to be) goes directly into an gift/credit card for use at that store.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

My own idea for improving the welfare system is for the government to own a chain of stores that are roughly the equivalent of Walmart, but without tobacco or alcohol and an expanded grocery section. Pretty much everything you need, and cheap. Now, half the welfare money (or what ever the suitable amount works out to be) goes directly into an gift/credit card for use at that store.

Special gas stations for them also...

But, the drug testing is a must.