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Whatever it may turn out to be, it's interesting to note this supposed 2.7L is also slated for application in the 2022 7th gen Camaro...
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03-20-2018, 01:17 PM | #4986 |
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Also, the Niss-I mean, Chevrolet NV2-I mean, City Express is dead.
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03-20-2018, 02:26 PM | #4987 |
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I never could figure out the rationale behind letting a competitor rebadge your vehicle. Seems like it would only ever hurt your sales. Dodge did the same thing a few years ago with VW, resulting in the Routan (sp?) minivan. Or Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe from a few years before that. There are lots of other examples, but the practice has never made sense to me.
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Wow that Achates design is something else. That kind of power and fuel efficiency sounds amazing. Is the engine itself kind of large and/or heavy?
If this is what GM has up their sleeve I'll be amazed. I thought I had read it was limited to 3,000 rpm. I wonder what the reason for that is?
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Dang, if it's going into the gen7 Camaro as well, it's likely a turbo 4. Probably looking to eliminate the V6 in the current car and the base 6 in the current truck. Hope i'm wrong. I'd like to see them take a risk on this design.
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No idea on the rpms though. A few guesses but thats all.
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The classic example was the Diamond Star Motors triplets. The Eagle Talon / Plymouth Laser / Mitsubishi Eclipse. All produced on the same assembly line, same powertrains, very similar exterior appearance. But customers who bought the Eclipse typically never set foot in a Dodge, Eagle, or Plymouth showroom. And the Eclipse consistently had higher quality reviews than the other two. Go figure.
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03-20-2018, 06:54 PM | #4993 |
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But your costs aren't getting spread out if you're not increasing total sales. Selling in two different markets, or market segments (Toyota iQ & Aston Martin Cygnet, for possibly the most extreme example) can make sense as nearly 100% of those sales are going to be gains.
But I would have to think that if you're interested in something sold by competing brands, you're going to be cross shopping them. Especially now with so many resources available. So a very high percentage of the sales made by your competitor will come directly at your expense. Part cost will be about the same either way because its pretty much the same overall volume, but now you've got lower sales, and associated revenue, for yourself. If I was an automaker, the smart move feels like forcing competitors to either stay out of a segment, or spend hundreds of millions & about 3 or 4 years of work to get a slice of it. Which is how its done 99.9% of the time.
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Didn’t Volkswagen pay DaimlerChrysler millions for the right to “produce” the Routon? DC makes more vans, more spare parts, and gets cash in its pocket on top? Just a thought.
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So the 2.7L 3 cylinder opposed piston engine is in fact a 6 piston engine with untraditional valve placement 2 stroke or am I missing something.:ion:
Can't wait to hear and see more after midnight.
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"The surface-to-volume relationship of the combustion chamber is better during the combustion phase with this arrangement (should favor lower heat losses), but ... call me a skeptic because of the piston porting that is inherent in this design. There is lubrication - oil - on the crank side of the pistons - the piston rings and cylinder walls require lubrication. Every time the piston rings pass the ports, a little bit of oil tends to get out into the port, and that's either going into the cylinder (intake ports) or out the exhaust (exhaust ports). If the rings are supplied with adequate lubrication, the emissions are worse. If the rings are supplied with sparse lubrication, longevity suffers. Detroit Diesel built piston-ported two-stroke diesel engines for decades, even using electronic injection control towards the end, and with all that experience, could not solve the emissions problems, and switched to four-strokes. I see nothing about this engine that is indicative of a magic solution to the piston porting emissions versus lubrication trade-off. I share the same skepticism about ALL of the opposed-piston two-stroke concepts and for the same reasons." |
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