Official 2014 NFL Regular/Playoff/Super Bowl Discussion Thread - Page 31

3 SS's · 01-19-2015, 10:00 AM

wow.....always grasping, last week it was deceptive line play, now it's the balls air pressure, just wonder how they could have done it if they even wanted to??

http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

Steve Dallas · 01-19-2015, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 3 SS's

wow.....always grasping, last week it was deceptive line play, now it's the balls air pressure, just wonder how they could have done it if they even wanted to??

http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

Where there's smoke, there's fire. BB already has proven himself a cheater, and the NFL -did- punish you guys because of that.

Here's the rule for who controls the balls.

"The home club shall have 36 balls for outdoor games and 24 for indoor games available for testing with a pressure gauge by the referee two hours prior to the starting time of the game to meet with League requirements. Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game."

We will find out more, of course. Simply put, BB put himself in this situation for his past cheating deeds. Considering he hasn't won for a while, maybe he considers cheating the only way to win a Super Bowl.

3 SS's · 01-19-2015, 10:12 AM

trashmanssd · 01-19-2015, 10:26 AM

Hey if you cant beat them, next best think is accuse them of cheating to knock them down a peg.

Steve Dallas · 01-19-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by trashmanssd

Hey if you cant beat them, next best think is accuse them of cheating to knock them down a peg.

If you don't want to get accused of cheating, don't cheat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338

BB is a very good coach. He is, however, a scummy human being.

trashmanssd · 01-19-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

If you don't want to get accused of cheating, don't cheat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338

BB is a very good coach. He is, however, a scummy human being.

So do you consider PED's cheating or is that ok?

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...g-drug-testing

trashmanssd · 01-19-2015, 10:56 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ractice-rules/

Seahawks and Pete Carroll Fined undisclosed amount for breaking practices rules 2 different times in 2 years the same rule.

trashmanssd · 01-19-2015, 10:58 AM

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2...n-by-cheating/

Most penalized pass interference team by design?

ChrisBlair · 01-19-2015, 11:00 AM

...if anyone thinks that the New England Patriots are the only team in the present-day NFL that has spied on other teams, used rules to advantage, shaded the rules, taken advantage when it was available, and been as opportunistic as was humanly possible, then it is certain that the person in question is naive.

The NFL is ultra-competitive. Any and all edges are grasped by all teams. The Pats got caught in the past. This is the only difference.

Regarding last nights' game, I've read the arguments and the reasons and the speculations. I've read about weighing the balls. I've read that the refs got the balls from the Pats (apparently exclusively).

A few points to consider-

Refs have pressure gauges. Why would they weigh the ball to determine pressure?

The ideal gas law seems to suggest that a very minute change in weight would be present in any 'deflated' ball that would not be obviously under-inflated to the touch or by eye, in any case.

Why did the same ball that was hard to grip right on-target sometimes and not in others? Chance? Same reason that the interceptions were made?

Just how would the league determine this circumstance now?

A pro with experience of many thousands of times interacting with the same pressure ball wouldn't notice the difference in play with a deflated one?

On what grounds were this complaint made to the league?

3 SS's · 01-19-2015, 11:00 AM

Chancellor.....isn't juicing, really...he isn't, and as far as coaches, Carrol left USC in good shape.

trashmanssd · 01-19-2015, 11:04 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,247361

Pete Carroll USC Scandal.

trashmanssd · 01-19-2015, 11:07 AM

I dont see Pete Carroll as a cheat I see him as doing all he can to win and some times that means pushing the rules till you get called on it.

trashmanssd · 01-19-2015, 11:17 AM

Here is a quote from you article on the Pats big cheating scandel by recording the other coaches from the wrong locations. It's not against the rules to record them just where you can record them from. he was fined so heavily for pissing in the leagues face after the memo was sent out.

Quote from article you posted.

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."
That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations, wrote:"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Memo on September 6th, game on September 9th pats get caught taping where they were just told not to that's why the league hammered them.

3 SS's · 01-19-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by trashmanssd

Here is a quote from you article on the Pats big cheating scandel by recording the other coaches from the wrong locations. It's not against the rules to record them just where you can record them from. he was fined so heavily for pissing in the leagues face after the memo was sent out.

Quote from article you posted.

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."
That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations, wrote:"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Can't take these guys seriously, they grasp at any chance they can to justify their inferiority,

01-19-2015, 10:56 AM	#427
trashmanssd Drives: Black 14 2SS/1LE/RS 14 Tundra Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Plymouth, Ma Posts: 2,414	http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ractice-rules/ Seahawks and Pete Carroll Fined undisclosed amount for breaking practices rules 2 different times in 2 years the same rule. Last edited by trashmanssd; 01-19-2015 at 11:06 AM.

01-19-2015, 11:00 AM	#429
ChrisBlair Buick 455 Fan Drives: 1970 Buick, 2012 1SS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston MA Posts: 5,957	...if anyone thinks that the New England Patriots are the only team in the present-day NFL that has spied on other teams, used rules to advantage, shaded the rules, taken advantage when it was available, and been as opportunistic as was humanly possible, then it is certain that the person in question is naive. The NFL is ultra-competitive. Any and all edges are grasped by all teams. The Pats got caught in the past. This is the only difference. Regarding last nights' game, I've read the arguments and the reasons and the speculations. I've read about weighing the balls. I've read that the refs got the balls from the Pats (apparently exclusively). A few points to consider- Refs have pressure gauges. Why would they weigh the ball to determine pressure? The ideal gas law seems to suggest that a very minute change in weight would be present in any 'deflated' ball that would not be obviously under-inflated to the touch or by eye, in any case. Why did the same ball that was hard to grip right on-target sometimes and not in others? Chance? Same reason that the interceptions were made? Just how would the league determine this circumstance now? A pro with experience of many thousands of times interacting with the same pressure ball wouldn't notice the difference in play with a deflated one? On what grounds were this complaint made to the league? __________________

01-19-2015, 11:17 AM	#433
trashmanssd Drives: Black 14 2SS/1LE/RS 14 Tundra Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Plymouth, Ma Posts: 2,414	Here is a quote from you article on the Pats big cheating scandel by recording the other coaches from the wrong locations. It's not against the rules to record them just where you can record them from. he was fined so heavily for pissing in the leagues face after the memo was sent out. Quote from article you posted. NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations, wrote:"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game." Memo on September 6th, game on September 9th pats get caught taping where they were just told not to that's why the league hammered them. Last edited by trashmanssd; 01-19-2015 at 11:33 AM.

01-19-2015, 10:00 AM	#421
3 SS's Drives: Chevelle SS's Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: outta my mind Posts: 3,034 View My Garage	wow.....always grasping, last week it was deceptive line play, now it's the balls air pressure, just wonder how they could have done it if they even wanted to?? http://static.nfl.com/static/content..._2013_Ball.pdf

01-19-2015, 10:26 AM	#424
trashmanssd Drives: Black 14 2SS/1LE/RS 14 Tundra Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Plymouth, Ma Posts: 2,414	Hey if you cant beat them, next best think is accuse them of cheating to knock them down a peg.

01-19-2015, 10:58 AM	#428
trashmanssd Drives: Black 14 2SS/1LE/RS 14 Tundra Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Plymouth, Ma Posts: 2,414	http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2...n-by-cheating/ Most penalized pass interference team by design?

01-19-2015, 11:00 AM	#430
3 SS's Drives: Chevelle SS's Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: outta my mind Posts: 3,034 View My Garage	Chancellor.....isn't juicing, really...he isn't, and as far as coaches, Carrol left USC in good shape.

01-19-2015, 11:04 AM	#431
trashmanssd Drives: Black 14 2SS/1LE/RS 14 Tundra Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Plymouth, Ma Posts: 2,414	http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,247361 Pete Carroll USC Scandal.

01-19-2015, 11:07 AM	#432
trashmanssd Drives: Black 14 2SS/1LE/RS 14 Tundra Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Plymouth, Ma Posts: 2,414	I dont see Pete Carroll as a cheat I see him as doing all he can to win and some times that means pushing the rules till you get called on it.