Toyota Customers Experience Unintended Acceleration Again

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Not even close...Toyota has set a new record for corruption, irresponsibility, ineptness, and general "low-ness". They, without a doubt, deserve every ounce of scrutiny they get right now.

I wouldn't go that far but yeah, they are in some serious doo-doo.

[Coldpants]

Chevy love aside this reeks of corp and government corruption. The government owns the number 2 car company and just happens to go after the number 1 car company with a vengeance? For some perspective you have .00068% chance of dying in a Toyota due to acceleration. You have a .00135% chance of dying in a Ford Pinto by burning to death after a rear collision and during the Audi 5000 unintended acceleration problem the NHTSA was investigating 50 models from 20 companies for the same problem.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

Chevy love aside this reeks of corp and government corruption. The government owns the number 2 car company and just happens to go after the number 1 car company with a vengeance? For some perspective you have .00068% chance of dying in a Toyota due to acceleration. You have a .00135% chance of dying in a Ford Pinto by burning to death after a rear collision and during the Audi 5000 unintended acceleration problem the NHTSA was investigating 50 models from 20 companies for the same problem.

You act like Japan hasn't forked over loads of cash to Toyota throughout it's history....

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Having never driven a vehicle with keyless ignition before, this is just speculation but: what would happen if they threw the 'key' fob out the window? Most of those require the lil 'key' fob thingy to be within a certain distance of the vehicle, right? Just a thought, and I'm sure that may not have crossed their minds as they were too busy thinking 'oh dear god, it won't turn it off, it wont go into neutral, what do i do?!'

My brother's nissan has keyless ignition and you can literally drive till the gas runs out without the key anywhere near the car. He's had problems before where his wife will pick up the car to drive it across town for errands and he'll forget to give her the key off his belt. She'll get where she's going, park, and do her errand and then not be able to start the car again because she doesn't have the key.

Not sure if the toyota system works the same way, but just something to think about.
- X

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by Xanthos

My brother's nissan has keyless ignition and you can literally drive till the gas runs out without the key anywhere near the car. He's had problems before where his wife will pick up the car to drive it across town for errands and he'll forget to give her the key off his belt. She'll get where she's going, park, and do her errand and then not be able to start the car again because she doesn't have the key.

Not sure if the toyota system works the same way, but just something to think about.
- X

The Vette and BMW have good "keyless" ignition systems. They both involve having a low frequency transmitter to be nearby or the car will not start. If you have BMW's credit card and stood outside the car, your friend can start it and drive off but as soon as he gets 20 feet away from you, the car dies.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Hylton

The Vette and BMW have good "keyless" ignition systems. They both involve having a low frequency transmitter to be nearby or the car will not start. If you have BMW's credit card and stood outside the car, your friend can start it and drive off but as soon as he gets 20 feet away from you, the car dies.

Thats sort of the way the harley keyless systems work (at least if I'm remembering correctly the way my step dad explained it to me - I personally have a 1982 yamaha: no keyless ignition there). I wasn't saying good systems aren't out there, just that bad systems are out there as well and I don't know which category toyota's falls into.
- X

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

Chevy love aside this reeks of corp and government corruption. The government owns the number 2 car company and just happens to go after the number 1 car company with a vengeance? For some perspective you have .00068% chance of dying in a Toyota due to acceleration. You have a .00135% chance of dying in a Ford Pinto by burning to death after a rear collision and during the Audi 5000 unintended acceleration problem the NHTSA was investigating 50 models from 20 companies for the same problem.

There's one problem with your theory... The Government doesn't own Ford.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

Chevy love aside this reeks of corp and government corruption. The government owns the number 2 car company and just happens to go after the number 1 car company with a vengeance? For some perspective you have .00068% chance of dying in a Toyota due to acceleration. You have a .00135% chance of dying in a Ford Pinto by burning to death after a rear collision and during the Audi 5000 unintended acceleration problem the NHTSA was investigating 50 models from 20 companies for the same problem.

People have died. And the company responsible is being dirty and absolutely irresponsible in their handling of the situation. They're lying, they're cheating, and they're dragging their feet with millions of people in their defunct vehicles.

The NHTSA is doing their job for a change. This is precisely what they're there for. Don't turn this into a tin-foil-hat discussion. There is no corruption or conspiracy theory. Toyota was being (is being!) bad, and the NHTSA caught'em.

Oh, and for the record....Toyota has NEVER been the #1 car company in the USA. And GM issued their own large-scale recall earlier this month.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

People have died. And the company responsible is being dirty and absolutely irresponsible in their handling of the situation. They're lying, they're cheating, and they're dragging their feet with millions of people in their defunct vehicles.

The NHTSA is doing their job for a change. This is precisely what they're there for. Don't turn this into a tin-foil-hat discussion. There is no corruption or conspiracy theory. Toyota was being (is being!) bad, and the NHTSA caught'em.

Oh, and for the record....Toyota has NEVER been the #1 car company in the USA. And GM issued their own large-scale recall earlier this month.

We elect our government in this country with the highest internation standards of democracy. There is next to no corruption here.

Toyota, on the other hand, has concealed and fought past claims, avoided federal regulators, and lied to the market about company priorities. It is abundantly clear that products wearing Toyota badges have sacrificed a reputation for safety in the name of money and at the expense of lives.

Toyota lied. The government called them out. Now, Toyota will suffer. We would expect this timeline for any regulatory issue, so how is that corrupt?

[Christiancoach]

Maybe I have missed it entirely.....why can't you shift into Neutral?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Christiancoach

Maybe I have missed it entirely.....why can't you shift into Neutral?

no idea. Just like nobody really knows what causes you to need to shift into neutral in the first place.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Christiancoach

Maybe I have missed it entirely.....why can't you shift into Neutral?

Not sure exactly, but I guess it just plain doesn't work My guess would be that it is some sort of feature to keep someone from 'accidentally' shifting into neutral at wide open throttle and thereby ruining the engine. Clearly they didn't think anyone would actually NEED to do that in an emergency.

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

People have died. And the company responsible is being dirty and absolutely irresponsible in their handling of the situation. They're lying, they're cheating, and they're dragging their feet with millions of people in their defunct vehicles.

The NHTSA is doing their job for a change. This is precisely what they're there for. Don't turn this into a tin-foil-hat discussion. There is no corruption or conspiracy theory. Toyota was being (is being!) bad, and the NHTSA caught'em.

Oh, and for the record....Toyota has NEVER been the #1 car company in the USA. And GM issued their own large-scale recall earlier this month.

The NHTSA response is unprecedented in '78 Mother Jones magazine obtained the cost-benefit analysis that it said Ford had used to compare the cost of an $11 repair against the monetary value of a human life. But the NHTSA had to be pressured into asking for a recall for a flaw that lead to a higher fatality rate than today's problem. Skip forward to today Ford had its own brake problems with its hybrids similar to Toyota. But other than a blurb no press no outcry no public hearings.

I did some research and Toyota is really 1980's 1984 GM models: Regal, Century; El Camino, Caballero, Monte Carlo, Malibu, Cutlass, Le Mans, and Grand Prix had a small random wheel issue. Some times they would fall off. I wonder how many people that killed.

There were no congressional hearings in either case, nor did any CEO's go to congress to apologize.

And as far as the Tin foil hat comment. GM and the other two have pulled crap like this before. IN 1948 they used influence with a senator to bring false charges against Tucker in order to put him out of business rather than follow his lead to build safer cars to compete.

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

We elect our government in this country with the highest internation standards of democracy. There is next to no corruption here.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have read. The United States Rates Just higher than half way up the corruption list of 88 countries. If you only count western style industrial democracies we rank well below average. The top spots are traded between Scandinavia, Sweden and new Zealand.