Falcon and Mustang to be combined on the same platform.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by truth411

If I may chime in here, The IRS in the camaro is waaaaaay stronger than the IRS in the 03 terminator, the camaro's IRS is similar to the CTS-v and ZR1 i believe. The 03 terminator IRS was the IRS from the thunderbird if I remeber correctly, not in the same league IMO. also lets not fool our selves the 8.8" rear-end in the mustang in not exactly bullet proof. Fords 9" rear end is much stronger.

True. I have a 31" 9inch rear on my 65. The 8.8 is not bullet proof by no stretch of the imagination, but do not delude yourself into thinking a Camaro IRS will hold up to 600+ @the wheels just fine to. Though it may be stronger than the one from the cobra, it still have the same parts. And those parts were not design for that type of output and will break as well.

I trust a 8.8 live axle to a IRS any day of week for those power levels.

[Hesh]

Originally Posted by truth411

No deal man, If this is true, that means ford is going to sell version of the car Globaly, Not Everybody sends 750hp to the wheels. IRS is clearly superior to SRA for Daily driveing, especialy considering some of europes rough roads.
Also think big Picture, With an IRS, Ford could also easily stretch the wheelbase add 2 more doors and sell a very profitable RWD Lincoln version.
Ultimately if they are going to merge the platform together and sell this car globaly, that means NO SRA inorder for it to be taken seriously and be profitable. Many Mustang loyalist love the SRA, But in Europe it simply will not be accepted, and thats the truth.

Yep you are correct. Ford's CEO has already stated that it will be a globaly sold car. There is an article at Motortrend about it and what directions they are talking about going. http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...bal/index.html Take a read there, its quite interesting. You are also correct about your IRS statement, the one in the Camaro is the version from the CTS-V/ZR1. Its been stated that the rear was able to handle around 600hp in its stock form.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by truth411

No deal man, If this is true, that means ford is going to sell version of the car Globaly, Not Everybody sends 750hp to the wheels. IRS is clearly superior to SRA for Daily driveing, especialy considering some of europes rough roads.
Also think big Picture, With an IRS, Ford could also easily stretch the wheelbase add 2 more doors and sell a very profitable RWD Lincoln version.
Ultimately if they are going to merge the platform together and sell this car globaly, that means NO SRA inorder for it to be taken seriously and be profitable. Many Mustang loyalist love the SRA, But in Europe it simply will not be accepted, and thats the truth.

For the most part you are correct. That said, Mustang and Falcon sharing a platform does not mean that both cars will get IRS, particularly since Mustang's 2-door, fastback body style means that the entire rear section of the Mustang will be vastly different from the sedans that ride on the same platform anyway.

That said, those differences do not mean the Mustang will not get an IRS either. Rumors strongly indicate Ford didn't save any money by using the SRA this time around, and if Ford is going to make the next Mustang a global car, and they are, IRS has an obvious appeal.

There are arguments for both sides here, and it truly could go either way, but I personally think the next Mustang will most likely grow an IRS.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by a_Username

....to make a conclusion that the IRS on the said car was in fact the best piece of suspension to hit this earth since an Evolution IX.

Yeah, that's what I said. Exaggerate for effect much?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

No his statement goes in point where you say As not being true. As a owner of this car I also corrected and said not true. With minor adds, and keeping the RWHP N of 600, the IRS held together. Again I ran 525 RWHP, and I went to the track quite often. People trying to push big power without upgrades had issues, and the same would happen to any Camaro owner trying to push that much power without upgrading. Period.

I do not understand why you seem to be missing this point. A STOCK IRS is not going to hold up under big HP's. It was that way for the Cobra, and its that way for the Camaro. Under normal or slightly elevated power the IRS was fine in a Cobra, and its fine in a Camaro

I'm really interested to know why you repeatedly bring up that massive power on the Camaro's IRS will make it fail. That goes for any setup, including SRA, and I'm not denying that. However, the Camaro's IRS is obviously stronger than the Terminators. Again, my point, that you continually miss, is that Ford could have done a lot better with its IRS setup in regards to drag racing.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by syr74

For the most part you are correct. That said, Mustang and Falcon sharing a platform does not mean that both cars will get IRS, particularly since Mustang's 2-door, fastback body style means that the entire rear section of the Mustang will be vastly different from the sedans that ride on the same platform anyway.

That said, those differences do not mean the Mustang will not get an IRS either. Rumors strongly indicate Ford didn't save any money by using the SRA this time around, and if Ford is going to make the next Mustang a global car, and they are, IRS has an obvious appeal.

There are arguments for both sides here, and it truly could go either way, but I personally think the next Mustang will most likely grow an IRS.

That's your answer. I would guarantee that the next Mustang will have an IRS.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'm really interested to know why you repeatedly bring up that massive power on the Camaro's IRS will make it fail. That goes for any setup, including SRA, and I'm not denying that. However, the Camaro's IRS is obviously stronger than the Terminators. Again, my point, that you continually miss, is that Ford could have done a lot better with its IRS setup in regards to drag racing.

i don't know if the camaro IRS is really stronger per se. the IRS in the 03-04's main down fall is in the bushing design (too soft). the axles are very strong (31 spline) and up to the task of 600rwhp, it's just all the play the stock (soft) rubber bushings allowed. some delrin bushings in the back go a long way.

the parts that would commonly break are the pumpkin cover. and, again, that was because of the bushing design and the flex they would allow.

and no, the irs doesn't come from the thunderbird.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'm really interested to know why you repeatedly bring up that massive power on the Camaro's IRS will make it fail. That goes for any setup, including SRA, and I'm not denying that. However, the Camaro's IRS is obviously stronger than the Terminators. Again, my point, that you continually miss, is that Ford could have done a lot better with its IRS setup in regards to drag racing.

User I am not missing that point. What I am trying to say is that Ford set the Terminator up as a ROAD COURSE car. But everyone was Drag racing it.

Do you not think that GM looked at that data and decided to say, hrmmmm lets beef our IRS up a bit. You think they did not use data from the GTO ? GM had a lot of time to design the 5th Gen, and they did a good job. But your acting like the Cobra IRS broke with 500HP and thats just not the case.

[nova]

Originally Posted by syr74

That said, those differences do not mean the Mustang will not get an IRS either. Rumors strongly indicate Ford didn't save any money by using the SRA this time around, and if Ford is going to make the next Mustang a global car, and they are, IRS has an obvious appeal.

That right there is the long and the short of it. The "big market" is not ultra high power IRS shredding drag racers, its average everyday people who for the most part want increased ride quality, especially when you're talking about overseas markets. In that light, short of high dollar factory race ready cars, I expect the number of new cars with SRAs to keep approaching zero....

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

User I am not missing that point. What I am trying to say is that Ford set the Terminator up as a ROAD COURSE car. But everyone was Drag racing it.

Do you not think that GM looked at that data and decided to say, hrmmmm lets beef our IRS up a bit. You think they did not use data from the GTO ? GM had a lot of time to design the 5th Gen, and they did a good job. But your acting like the Cobra IRS broke with 500HP and thats just not the case.

You say this like they shouldn't have? Like it some sort of magical advantage that takes away from their achievement of the current setup in the Camaro. Obviously the IRS in the Camaro isn't perfect, but it's definitely better than the Terminator's. I heard the IRS in the Cobras broke around 550, of course if this isn't the case then provide me with an article saying it's not true, not just one owner's exception.

[CaMeRoN187]

is it just me or do all mustangs look alike.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by CaMeRoN187

is it just me or do all mustangs look alike.

Yes. And so do all Camaro's. It's called mass production for a reason.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Yes. And so do all Camaro's. It's called mass production for a reason.

It's best just to ignore posts like that garage lol.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by a_Username

You say this like they shouldn't have? Like it some sort of magical advantage that takes away from their achievement of the current setup in the Camaro. Obviously the IRS in the Camaro isn't perfect, but it's definitely better than the Terminator's. I heard the IRS in the Cobras broke around 550, of course if this isn't the case then provide me with an article saying it's not true, not just one owner's exception.

Well you have me there..Hehe I was 25 short of that number

But if you think about it, 550@Wheels is a LOT of power. Never mind what the trq would be. I remember a guy shredded at Moroso and I think he had like 565...I had used the part that Garage described on mines, it stop the pumpkin from twisting. So yeah I cannot dispute this claim, because I have seen the stock IRS go at 565 with stickies.

But answer me this, would you as a Camaro owner trust your IRS at 550 with stickies ? Just a question btw, as I do not know the limits of a stock Camaro IRS.