Nissan's dirty little secret!

[rmyers]

I don't buy it. The scanned image from the owners manual says nothing about voiding the warranty. Reprogamming the computer, I could understand, but turning off the VDC or using Launch Control, I seriously doubt. I'll believe it when someone shows me the documentation from Nissan stating that fact preceisely. In fact one could argue that Launch Control is part of the VDC system, since it's primary job is to limit RPM and wheel spin.

Ron

[Emher]

Lol, Japan.

[TFord]

Originally Posted by rmyers

I don't buy it. The scanned image from the owners manual says nothing about voiding the warranty. Reprogamming the computer, I could understand, but turning off the VDC or using Launch Control, I seriously doubt. I'll believe it when someone shows me the documentation from Nissan stating that fact preceisely. In fact one could argue that Launch Control is part of the VDC system, since it's primary job is to limit RPM and wheel spin.

Ron

Ive looked into it and "the GT-R's warranty is voided if VDC is in the off position. In order to use launch control VDC must be in the off position." thats from the mouth of a Nissan Service Manager. I found Nissan's public response "Nissan revealed that the reason for tight restrictions on the GT-R is because the gearbox is not rigid and durable enough to take an excess of 600 PS as cooling is not efficient enough. Since Nissan worries tuners might over tune them like its predecessors, which may result in the gear box wearing down too quick, they decided to tightly restrict the car all the way from engine to wheels."

so rmeyers...Using launch control Voids the warranty!

[Chocolate Apocalypse]

This is a post by a user on gtr.co.uk, its an email from Nissan about the VDC:

So this is the mail contents I have back from Nissan


Please see our current policy detail regarding your VDC (ESP) issue below. Please note however, this is still work in progress.

Tuning:
Malfunctions caused by operation performed at workshop other than NHPC or mount of parts other than Nissan genuine will not be covered by warranty.

Driving condition:
Malfunctions caused by severe driving (eg. driving at circuit) will not be covered by warranty.
Verification of travel distance with Vehicle Status Data Recorder (VSDR) and history of parts replacement may be conducted.

Special driving condition:
Launch mode needs to be set VDC off. When the customer set VDC off, then warranty is not covered as described in the Owner Manual (OM).
Customer should be checked and maintained in NHPC before and after driving racetrack to follow special racing service intervals in OM.
System failure on the vehicle during race driving on a circuit is non-warrantable. System failure on the vehicle during city driving related to having driven the vehicle on a race circuit is non-warrantable.

NB: Specific warranty booklet will be supplied to all RBUs for translation and distribution to local network

My understanding is that essentially, any car driven on track is out of warranty until re-checked by a certified NHPC which effectively re-sets the warranty.

Effectively, any time VDC OFF is engaged, the car is out of warranty while VDC OFF is engaged.

Make of it what you will

AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
*catches breath*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!11!!!

The VDC button should read VFW, Voids Factory Warranty.

[TFord]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Apocalypse

The VDC button should read VFW, Voids Factory Warranty.

thats great!

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Apocalypse

This is a post by a user on gtr.co.uk, its an email from Nissan about the VDC:




AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
*catches breath*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!11!!!

The VDC button should read VFW, Voids Factory Warranty.

It's this kind of backing that makes car buyers go somewhere else for their automotive needs.

[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by TRIXXTERR

I Hate Yo Burst your bubble BUT GM has had these for years..one catch tho. THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW STATING THEY CANNOT RETRIEVE the info stored on them WITHOUT your permission..BUT WITH the launch of ONSTAR years ago, they can TRACK,RECORD, disable your car/truck at anytime..ALL WITH OUT YOU KNOWING.. There was a news report awhile back about how an ONSTAR rep got busted for eavesdropping(or something to that effect). Soo NO ONSTAR FOR ME!! If it comes with it i'll rip it out..

AND its NOT just GM..
http://www.harristechnical.com/downloads/cdrlist.pdf

FYI..EVERY F-BODY FROM 1996-1999 had these..

Wow... paranoid much...

First off, they cannot disable your vehicle, not possible, IT also WILL never HAPPEN, too much possibility to be abused and or cause accendents/problems.

Second off, Yes they can track you but only with your permission, that information also can not be used against you in a court of law without your permission.

Third off, the onstar guy that got busted was because he used his position to listen in on and RECORD incomming onstar calls (user dialed another number through the onstar feature). This is of course illegal since it breaks privacy laws (just like cell phone taps).

Some people just need to lay off the whole big brother thing...

[rmyers]

Please see our current policy detail regarding your VDC (ESP) issue below. Please note however, this is still work in progress.

Perhaps the key words are "This is a work in progress". It will be interesting to see how Nissan can void a warranty by the use of a switch that is intentionally put on the dash for the driver to use.

For a company that has been building 6 cylinder motors capable of withstanding 800 hp easily for decades now, I for one will give them the benefit of the doubt that they will work this problem out. If not, they will have a lot of un-happy customers.

Having said that, I am still impressed with what Nissan delivered. They have set the bar higher for all manufactures to meet, and thus, we all benefit.

Finally, like everthing else I read on the internet, I'll take it with a grain of salt until I see something official from Nissan. Personally, I don't think they have a leg to stand on, and given the prices these cars are selling for, I am sure the customers that are buying them can afford some good attorneys.

Ron

[Muscle Master]

This sounds like a lack of confidence with their so called high quality cars

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by rmyers

Perhaps the key words are "This is a work in progress". It will be interesting to see how Nissan can void a warranty by the use of a switch that is intentionally put on the dash for the driver to use.

For a company that has been building 6 cylinder motors capable of withstanding 800 hp easily for decades now, I for one will give them the benefit of the doubt that they will work this problem out. If not, they will have a lot of un-happy customers.

Having said that, I am still impressed with what Nissan delivered. They have set the bar higher for all manufactures to meet, and thus, we all benefit.

Finally, like everthing else I read on the internet, I'll take it with a grain of salt until I see something official from Nissan. Personally, I don't think they have a leg to stand on, and given the prices these cars are selling for, I am sure the customers that are buying them can afford some good attorneys.

Ron

I cannot honestly disrespect what Nissan has delivered here. It's a great machine bringing some serious threats to the track.

On the other hand, it feels like the car is a race-inspired vehicle that prohibits racing. Granted, every company puts something in the manual about racing, but the GT-R is not intended to be taken lightly. It should say not to drive recklessly. What is written there, if it makes the production manual, basically takes the balls off of the GT-R.

[TRIXXTERR]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

Wow... paranoid much...

First off, they cannot disable your vehicle, not possible, IT also WILL never HAPPEN, too much possibility to be abused and or cause accendents/problems.

Second off, Yes they can track you but only with your permission, that information also can not be used against you in a court of law without your permission.

Third off, the onstar guy that got busted was because he used his position to listen in on and RECORD incomming onstar calls (user dialed another number through the onstar feature). This is of course illegal since it breaks privacy laws (just like cell phone taps).

Some people just need to lay off the whole big brother thing...

WELL...First Off. It has Happened.Granted It was a stolen car situation.But It Still Happened.

SECOND. No Not Paranoid, this was brought up on a local board I'm on awhile back. PLUS there WAS a bill introcued middle of last year to use the black boxes to enforce trafic laws..WHICH WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE OF THE ENTERPRISE RENTAL CAR lawsuit.in which enterprised fined a client for speeding in one of their rentals. .The Bill Died..and the guy one the lawsuit.(big reason the BILL died).There is those laws you mentioned.

THIRD. WELL He did do it though right?? doesnt mean someone on a power trip/or bored couldnt do the same thing again.. THE POINT.. IT DID/COULD HAPPEN..

FINALLY.. I was just trying to help a fellow member out with their question.by my post.. Please dont assume you know me or my thoughts.beliefs. Just By a few posts.

On a side note I think ONSTAR like the rest of the PACKGED OPTIONS. is crap i dont want it but i'm gonna have to pay for it since its on the car. like most the other stuff i dont want Or Need...

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by TRIXXTERR

I Hate Yo Burst your bubble BUT GM has had these for years..one catch tho. THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW STATING THEY CANNOT RETRIEVE the info stored on them WITHOUT your permission..BUT WITH the launch of ONSTAR years ago, they can TRACK,RECORD, disable your car/truck at anytime..ALL WITH OUT YOU KNOWING.. There was a news report awhile back about how an ONSTAR rep got busted for eavesdropping(or something to that effect). Soo NO ONSTAR FOR ME!! If it comes with it i'll rip it out..

AND its NOT just GM..
http://www.harristechnical.com/downloads/cdrlist.pdf

FYI..EVERY F-BODY FROM 1996-1999 had these..

Not true... All they need is a warrant and the info inside the RCM "Black Box"
is theirs... I’ve seen more than one person go to Prison from the information pulled from the “Black Box” when dealing with fatal crashes… At my former employer, I’ve personally witnessed and dealt with law enforcement wanting to now how to retrieve the information from the RCM in non fatal crashes. The information is not hard to retrieve and if the officer know the right people, he could have it in a flash no pun intended…

[TRIXXTERR]

Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

Not true... All they need is a warrant and the info inside the RCM "Black Box"
is theirs... I’ve seen more than one person go to Prison from the information pulled from the “Black Box” when dealing with fatal crashes… At my former employer, I’ve personally witnessed and dealt with law enforcement wanting to now how to retrieve the information from the RCM in non fatal crashes. The information is not hard to retrieve and if the officer know the right people, he could have it in a flash no pun intended…

Ok,Ok the law was to PROTECT us from overzelous lawyers.in small fender benders.AND did NOT apply to cases involving fatalities..guess i should;ve been More detailed in my post..

AND lets not forget..LAWS ARE DIFFERENT FROM STATE TO STATE..

~EDIT~ Ok I called a local po-po(My uncle) he said that his understaning is they HAVE to get your permission.Unless They get a warrant.. which probably wouldnt happen unless it was serious(ie. A fatality).. So It Seems We are BOTH right.