Air intake?

[Snoman]

Originally Posted by klaatu barada nikto

I completely agree with this.

I agree, the Z/28 intake looks aggressive, but I'm not one to put unproven Z/28 poser parts on my SS. The Z/28 is a stolen Roto-Fab design and technically it is sold on here, just call Maureen. For tuned NA motors, the highest rwhp gain for an intake is Vararam at well beyond 50. While nothing can touch it, for non-NA applications you're using Roto-Fab or CAI with a scoop. Roto-Fab recently redesigned theirs to supposedly flow better.

[klaatu barada nikto]

Originally Posted by Snoman

I agree, the Z/28 intake looks aggressive, but I'm not one to put unproven Z/28 poser parts on my SS. The Z/28 is a stolen Roto-Fab design and technically it is sold on here, just call Maureen. For tuned NA motors, the highest rwhp gain for an intake is Vararam at well beyond 50. While nothing can touch it, for non-NA applications you're using Roto-Fab or CAI with a scoop. Roto-Fab recently redesigned theirs to supposedly flow better.

I didn't say "the Z/28 intake looks aggressive"(although i agree it does), i said it looks OEM which is more than can be said about any stickered up aftermarket intake. Prove your claim "The Z/28 is a stolen Roto-Fab design" or i call . The Z/28 intake was designed, flowed and tested for the 500+ hp. LS7 and is therefore proven. Common sense dictates this is more than enough air sufficient for a LS3 or L99.

[klaatu barada nikto]

Originally Posted by Snoman

I agree, the Z/28 intake looks aggressive, but I'm not one to put unproven Z/28 poser parts on my SS. The Z/28 is a stolen Roto-Fab design and technically it is sold on here, just call Maureen. For tuned NA motors, the highest rwhp gain for an intake is Vararam at well beyond 50. While nothing can touch it, for non-NA applications you're using Roto-Fab or CAI with a scoop. Roto-Fab recently redesigned theirs to supposedly flow better.

"..tuned NA motors is Vararam at well beyond 50"? NOT with Just a tune and Vararam Only according to their advertisement:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8iRZXTxaFU9-Kg

I would Love to see what the numbers are for a tuned motor with the Z/28 intake.

[Snoman]

Originally Posted by klaatu barada nikto

I didn't say "the Z/28 intake looks aggressive"(although i agree it does), i said it looks OEM which is more than can be said about any stickered up aftermarket intake. Prove your claim "The Z/28 is a stolen Roto-Fab design" or i call . The Z/28 intake was designed, flowed and tested for the 500+ hp. LS7 and is therefore proven. Common sense dictates this is more than enough air sufficient for a LS3 or L99.

I'm well aware of the development sources and don't have to prove crap to you, anyone with a brain knows Roto-Fab developed their open design years before GM. There are also major differences between barely being able to get air into the motor through bent tubes and maximum efficiency through a straight pipe design.

Originally Posted by klaatu barada nikto

"..tuned NA motors is Vararam at well beyond 50"? NOT with Just a tune and Vararam Only according to their advertisement:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8iRZXTxaFU9-Kg

I would Love to see what the numbers are for a tuned motor with the Z/28 intake.

I'm aware. Called marketing 101 and not everyone has access to a qualified professional tuner. The numbers will in line with Rotofab and CAI.

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by Snoman

I agree, the Z/28 intake looks aggressive, but I'm not one to put unproven Z/28 poser parts on my SS. The Z/28 is a stolen Roto-Fab design and technically it is sold on here, just call Maureen. For tuned NA motors, the highest rwhp gain for an intake is Vararam at well beyond 50. While nothing can touch it, for non-NA applications you're using Roto-Fab or CAI with a scoop. Roto-Fab recently redesigned theirs to supposedly flow better.

Not sure what your saying here..... 50 rwhp from your Rotofab cai....if that's indeed what your trying to say then we need to discuss this more.
50rwhp and GM stoled the design.......got it. In all honesty when posting theses claims you sure as hell need to prove shit to people. Your opinion doesn't determine fact. If you can produce a proven source for both your claims with numbers....and I mean proven numbers then I'll agree with you. Start with the 50 HP gain claim first. If I misunderstood you then I apologize. The manufacturers claims are not taken seriously here.

[Snoman]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

Not sure what your saying here..... 50 rwhp from your Rotofab cai....if that's indeed what your trying to say then we need to discuss this more.
50rwhp and GM stoled the design.......got it. In all honesty when posting theses claims you sure as hell need to prove shit to people. Your opinion doesn't determine fact. If you can produce a proven source for both your claims with numbers....and I mean proven numbers then I'll agree with you. Start with the 50 HP gain claim first. If I misunderstood you then I apologize. The manufacturers claims are not taken seriously here.

Might have been misread, no worries. Only Vararam is possible for gains over 35hp/tq and even that is substantially underrated. Owners need to work with a professional tuner if they are serious about maximizing air flow for their NA set ups. Weekend warriors simply need to buy a Roto-Fab / CAI / Z28, add a scoop and enjoy their quick little 30hp/tq gains. While I have personally seen documented gains well beyond 50 for Vararam, they aren't getting reposted here. I am happy to continue working with any of my local club members and preferred performance shops to reproduce those numbers in person however.

Regarding the Z28 intake design, people are free to insert copy, inspired by or motivated for 'stolen' if it makes them feel any better though, I'm certainly not going to start throwing my sources under the bus.

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by Snoman

Might have been misread, no worries. Only Vararam is possible for gains over 35hp/tq and even that is substantially underrated. Owners need to work with a professional tuner if they are serious about maximizing air flow for their NA set ups. Weekend warriors simply need to buy a Roto-Fab / CAI / Z28, add a scoop and enjoy their quick little 30hp/tq gains. While I have personally seen documented gains well beyond 50 for Vararam, they aren't getting reposted here. I am happy to continue working with any of my local club members and preferred performance shops to reproduce those numbers in person however.

Regarding the Z28 intake design, people are free to insert copy, inspired by or motivated for 'stolen' if it makes them feel any better though, I'm certainly not going to start throwing my sources under the bus.

Well I guess we can agree to disagree. I've never heard from anyone anywhere claiming 50 rwhp from a cai regardless of a tune or not. Now saying just because I haven't seen or heard of it doesn't mean anything. I'm going with average gains......dyno results and what have you. Your going to raise some eyebrows with your weekend warriors claim of getting 30 rwhp out of a Vararam cai. Now I really want to see some track and dyno results.

[Dmpsix]

I'm just curious from an engineering aspect of the way these things are made... like what the heck could possibly make a 10+rwhp different from one CAI to another? I highly doubt it's that serious.
It's just a tube with a filter on the end of it.

[Roto-fab 1]

The Roto-fab system is a great option. And you guys are right that the Z28 intake doesn't get the credit it deserves on here. However, in direct comparison testing, our CAI gained a few horsepower over the Z28 system. Not a huge gain, but the gap would widen as mods increase.

Thanks for your interest everyone. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Michael

[CreeperRS]

Originally Posted by Snoman

I agree, the Z/28 intake looks aggressive, but I'm not one to put unproven Z/28 poser parts on my SS. The Z/28 is a stolen Roto-Fab design and technically it is sold on here, just call Maureen. For tuned NA motors, the highest rwhp gain for an intake is Vararam at well beyond 50. While nothing can touch it, for non-NA applications you're using Roto-Fab or CAI with a scoop. Roto-Fab recently redesigned theirs to supposedly flow better.

Unproven? See post #7. Ask around, I'm not the only one that Dyno tested.
It's a genuine GM part, advertised as an upgrade for the LS3 engine! But, hey, what does GM know?

[LCPLPunk]

Well, if GM was so smart, why didn't they install it in the first place?

[CreeperRS]

Originally Posted by LCPLPunk

Well, if GM was so smart, why didn't they install it in the first place?

It seems, they are, they're selling it as aftermarket. Making extra money off performance parts. Lol

[klaatu barada nikto]

Originally Posted by Snoman

I'm well aware of the development sources and don't have to prove crap to you, anyone with a brain knows Roto-Fab developed their open design years before GM. There are also major differences between barely being able to get air into the motor through bent tubes and maximum efficiency through a straight pipe design.



I'm aware. Called marketing 101 and not everyone has access to a qualified professional tuner. The numbers will in line with Rotofab and CAI.

You can't prove it because your original statement about the Z intake is . Going with your line of thinking, GM could have got the idea about the automobile from Ford.

I'm waiting for proof of your claim "for tuned NA motors, the highest rwhp gain for an intake is Vararam at well beyond 50".

[klaatu barada nikto]

Originally Posted by LCPLPunk

Well, if GM was so smart, why didn't they install it in the first place?

When the Z/28 Camaro was released, No Parts Specific to the Z/28 could be ordered unless you actually owned a Z and provided the VIN. I was informed of this by GM management.