2016 CTS-V Review from Boldride

[jcampos]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

These won't sell for anywhere near $100,000. I suspect low 80's well equipped. Basically invoice +/- some change. The Vsport had high MSRP but actual prices paid according to TrueCar are invoice. My V2 sticker was $72k, I paid $59k out the door. And yes, it does get flogged at the track. Why not? It's built to take a beating. It also gets the hell out of some groceries with two car seats in the back



This is ONE blogger saying this happened in a V. I haven't seen this story corroborated anywhere else. Sure any performance issues in a new performance car is concerning but I simply don't see a pattern here. Okay it shares an engine with the Z06 but are the ECU's identical? Cooling systems, heat dissipation, different in both cars. You would expect to see issues in the V long before the Z06 given it's packaging and having to lug around an extra 700lbs. Even with the Z06, it seems it's just a conservative tune designed to prevent heatsoak from setting in. That doesn't indicate mechanical failure of some kind. Have issues been reported with the manual Z06? Didn't Tadge recommend the manual for intense track sessions anyway?

That was exactly the point I was trying to make. It is ridiculous to think or even consider this car at a price range that extensive. Much less write a biased review of the vehicle when there hasn't been many written. Like I said, the new V will appeal to old dudes mainly. Sorry, no offense it's the truth because many V owners will "sluggishly" fart around town in one for this review of so called heating issues to be relevant.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by jcampos

That was exactly the point I was trying to make. It is ridiculous to think or even consider this car at a price range that extensive. Much less write a biased review of the vehicle when there hasn't been many written. Like I said, the new V will appeal to old dudes mainly. Sorry, no offense it's the truth because many V owners will "sluggishly" fart around town in one for this review of so called heating issues to be relevant.

You can dispense with the stereotypes, price is relative. Most of the other V owners I know are in their 30's (some 20's, some 40's). I was 32 when I bought my V and will be shopping for something new in the next 12-18 months. The V3 will be on the short list. I suppose at 35 I'm an "old dude" as the V appeals to me.

[jcampos]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

You can dispense with the stereotypes, price is relative. Most of the other V owners I know are in their 30's (some 20's, some 40's). I was 32 when I bought my V and will be shopping for something new in the next 12-18 months. The V3 will be on the short list. I suppose at 35 I'm an "old dude" as the V appeals to me.

Not necessarily and sorry if I am stereotyping but I am simply going off what ive seen around here in South Texas. Neither am I wrong or right...

Personally, I don't like the V's that's just me however, I do notice a large percentage of "older" people in them around here. Again, this is all I have my assumptions based off of but if you think about it the V should appeal to a younger crowd. Too bad many will opt out and get a Camaro for less than the price or a Corvette for nearly equal pricing and better performance. The V is entirely overrated but unique to see on the road.

[Hilflos]

A video that may be relevant to this discussion;


I'm 45, and a CTS-V isn't on my radar, an ATS-V might be, but doesn't fill a need the Camaro doesn't handle for me. If I were in the market for a grand tourer or luxury sedan, then yeah, they probably would be.

I've driven in the earlier gens of CTS-V's, and like them, though my personal preference is for something a bit more spartan. Different strokes sort of thing really. From a technical standpoint I find both -V's quite impressive.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

These won't sell for anywhere near $100,000. I suspect low 80's well equipped. Basically invoice +/- some change. The Vsport had high MSRP but actual prices paid according to TrueCar are invoice. My V2 sticker was $72k, I paid $59k out the door. And yes, it does get flogged at the track. Why not? It's built to take a beating. It also gets the hell out of some groceries with two car seats in the back



This is ONE blogger saying this happened in a V. I haven't seen this story corroborated anywhere else. Sure any performance issues in a new performance car is concerning but I simply don't see a pattern here. Okay it shares an engine with the Z06 but are the ECU's identical? Cooling systems, heat dissipation, different in both cars. You would expect to see issues in the V long before the Z06 given it's packaging and having to lug around an extra 700lbs. Even with the Z06, it seems it's just a conservative tune designed to prevent heatsoak from setting in. That doesn't indicate mechanical failure of some kind. Have issues been reported with the manual Z06? Didn't Tadge recommend the manual for intense track sessions anyway?

Wasn't trying to imply there is a problem just more of GM is getting caught with egg on their face that two LT4 equipped cars, had problems in reviews. The Z06 in the best drivers car (which we found out was bc GM really screwed up in prepping the car bc they had to fix it after another magazine love tapped a wall) and this V. Not saying its a problem, just that when these things happens in reviews, it is the negatives that people remember

[Denis]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

It's funny to look back and see how many people said I was stupid because I didn't think the supercharged Z06 was a good idea.

well it is a good idea, not the best idea but not a bad one if its executed properly. the problem here is the execution of the system they came up with. You can easily have a track focused forced inducted car without major heat issues if you package it correctly. I will agree that obviously an N/A setup would be more ideal.

[snizzle]

Maybe they'll get it right by the time we see it in the Camaro.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by jcampos

Not necessarily and sorry if I am stereotyping but I am simply going off what ive seen around here in South Texas. Neither am I wrong or right...

Personally, I don't like the V's that's just me however, I do notice a large percentage of "older" people in them around here. Again, this is all I have my assumptions based off of but if you think about it the V should appeal to a younger crowd. Too bad many will opt out and get a Camaro for less than the price or a Corvette for nearly equal pricing and better performance. The V is entirely overrated but unique to see on the road.

I'm curious what makes the V "entirely overrated"?

Age doesn't dictate appeal nearly as much as wealth. The V DOES appeal to a younger crowd, but it is the older crowd that has the financial means to make it possible. It's the same with every premium performance car. How many 20 year-olds do you see driving Porsche's, Maserati's, Lamborghini's? Do people not PREFER to drive these cars in their 20's? Of course they do. Give a 16y/o the keys to a SLS and Accord coupe and see which one he drives off in.

Sure a Camaro can be had for FAR less with excellent performance. But the Camaro is not a 4-door, 5 passenger luxury car. It serves a very different purpose. I can fly direct to Paris in economy class, get there the same time as I would if I flew first class and even save a few dollars. But given the choice, I know where I would prefer to sit on a transatlantic flight.

[cal45]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I'm curious what makes the V "entirely overrated"?

Age doesn't dictate appeal nearly as much as wealth. The V DOES appeal to a younger crowd, but it is the older crowd that has the financial means to make it possible. It's the same with every premium performance car. How many 20 year-olds do you see driving Porsche's, Maserati's, Lamborghini's?.......

Well.....if you leave out the population of the NBA, NFL, MLB, PGA, Rappers, and anyone with the last name Kardashian........not many.




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[nvydvr]

Originally Posted by cal45

Well.....if you leave out the population of the NBA, NFL, MLB, PGA, Rappers, and anyone with the last name Kardashian........not many.




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That made me laugh oh yea and as far as flying transatlantic maybe we could hitch a ride with the pompous Jennifer Aniston and shower and hang at the bar for the measly $25000.00 ticket oh yea cars... I've seen two V's in town, one is my sons friend 24 years old and the other is a friends wife... Mid forties... Sweet cars and lotsa fun

[jcampos]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I'm curious what makes the V "entirely overrated"?

Age doesn't dictate appeal nearly as much as wealth. The V DOES appeal to a younger crowd, but it is the older crowd that has the financial means to make it possible. It's the same with every premium performance car. How many 20 year-olds do you see driving Porsche's, Maserati's, Lamborghini's? Do people not PREFER to drive these cars in their 20's? Of course they do. Give a 16y/o the keys to a SLS and Accord coupe and see which one he drives off in.

Sure a Camaro can be had for FAR less with excellent performance. But the Camaro is not a 4-door, 5 passenger luxury car. It serves a very different purpose. I can fly direct to Paris in economy class, get there the same time as I would if I flew first class and even save a few dollars. But given the choice, I know where I would prefer to sit on a transatlantic flight.

you're absolutely right about everything. How does that sound?

Besides how is your justification even relevant to what i said? I wasn't negative nor did I point at any one person however, I did imply previously that the "overrated V" is affordable by those whom are financially established. That is, older people who can afford it and/or those whom mommy and daddy buy it for them (exaggeration). Again, it was my opinion so please try and correct me or tell me how I am wrong in everything that I think oooooorrrrrrr please tell me how wrong I am about the people here in South Texas that rarely drive V's around (old people).

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by cal45

A less then stellar hands on review from Boldride

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/2016-c...163032425.html

This situation worries me, because the comments about overheating on the Z06 apparently were explained that it was because of the cooling limitations of the aerodynamic design that this would not happen with the CTS-V or ZL1, but now we see a different situation.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by cal45

A less then stellar hands on review from Boldride

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/2016-c...163032425.html

This situation worries me, because the comments about overheating on the Z06 apparently were explained that it was because of the cooling limitations of the aerodynamic design that this would not happen with the CTS-V or ZL1, but now we see a different situation.

[matt55]

So I learned so far
1 I'm old (39 and feel older)
2 my car is overrated (pretty much 4 dr zl1 and fasted car I've owned)