Report: Oshawa to build new Cadillac XTS, DTS dead

[JJ#48Racing]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Cadillac still has a sub-CTS vehicle built on the SWB Alpha platform. Next-gen CTS is on LWB Alpha.

6th gen. Camaro's on an alternative version of Alpha being developed by Holden.

That's good to hear.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by stovt001

[Screams into a pillow due to his inability to convey such a simple concept] The Envoy is the exact same damn vehicle as the Trailblazer. They are one in the same. The difference between them is exactly the same difference between the Cobalt and G5 or the Aveo and G3. The Envoy and Trailblazer market are exactly the same! Both cars target the exact same market, which is the small crossover crowd. They are competing only against each other and GM will not win one single additional customer by having both. They will simply split their marketing dollars in order to cannibalize each other's sales. The difference in pricing is minimal - $1,400, which is about the same as the G5 and Cobalt. And the price level is different solely because a few options on the Chevy are standard on the GMC. This is nothing more than a cheap badge job. You are categorically WRONG.

Siigh.

I've had a long day and refuse to get into an argument over such a trivial matter.

Bottom line: There's an Equinox. There's a Terrain. Unless you decide to somehow rise through the ranks at the Ren. Center, just live with it.

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by JJ#48Racing

That's good to hear.

Don't get your hopes up. Alpha is never gonna happen.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Don't get your hopes up. Alpha is never gonna happen.

And you know this how?

[MrCool]

IMHO...I think GM needs to look more at what people are buying.

No domestic car in my garage yet

They are mainstream midsize family sedans

I think GM would need to make cars that people can afford to buy in recessions like these and that will last long. People don't want to buy cars that are expensive, hard to fix, and break down a lot.

And then on the side they should make cars like the CAMARO!

That way, they could build cars that people like and need, but not go into bankruptcy.

But I guess everything is easier said than done.

PS- exuse my ignorance, I was lazy and really didn't read inbetween. lol

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by MrCool

IMHO...I think GM needs to look more at what people are buying.





I think GM would need to make cars that people can afford to buy in recessions like these and that will last long. People don't want to buy cars that are expensive, hard to fix, and break down a lot.

And then on the side they should make cars like the CAMARO!

That way, they could build cars that people like and need, but not go into bankruptcy.

But I guess everything is easier said than done.

PS- exuse my ignorance, I was lazy and really didn't read inbetween. lol

1. Recessions are temporary
2. Cadillac has no business in the affordable mainstream family sedan market - that is what Chevy is for. Cadillac is the luxury brand. And yes people do want to buy cars that are expensive - see the success of BMW, Mercedes, et al.

[MrCool]

Cadliac I understand, that should be made on the side.

But what I had in mind by "affordable" and "reliable" are cars like the Camary, Accord, ect. I wish I had a dollar for every one of those I see.

Just a thought

[stovt001]

Yeah I'm not sure where you're going with that... No one has any problems with mainstream family sedans being FWD. Chevy has the Malibu that competes just fine with the Camry and Accord and is gaining market share. Obviously you see a ton of them. They're called the bread and butter cars for a reason.

We're not talking about those kinds of cars here. What we are talking about is a luxury flagship for GM's luxury brand. Apparently GM thinks you can make a luxury flagship by doing a quick and cheap badge job of a lowly fleet special. I beg to differ.

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by stovt001

We're not talking about those kinds of cars here.

Wrong type of car then, oops. I got lazy. lol.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by G8GT4now

Unfortunately, FWD sedans sell. Look at the Accords and Camrys.

Personally, I like RWD sedans, but most buyers disagree with me.

A Camry/Accord is not a flagship vehicle for a luxury brand!

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by stovt001

[Screams into a pillow due to his inability to convey such a simple concept] The Envoy is the exact same damn vehicle as the Trailblazer. They are one in the same. The difference between them is exactly the same difference between the Cobalt and G5 or the Aveo and G3. The Envoy and Trailblazer market are exactly the same! Both cars target the exact same market, which is the small crossover crowd. They are competing only against each other and GM will not win one single additional customer by having both. They will simply split their marketing dollars in order to cannibalize each other's sales. The difference in pricing is minimal - $1,400, which is about the same as the G5 and Cobalt. And the price level is different solely because a few options on the Chevy are standard on the GMC. This is nothing more than a cheap badge job. You are categorically WRONG.

I just wanted to let you know I agree 100%.

In fact I agree so much I would also assert that the entire GMC "brand" is 100% rebadging and should have been jettissoned like a cylon impostor.

[storm79]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Yeah I'm not sure where you're going with that... No one has any problems with mainstream family sedans being FWD. Chevy has the Malibu that competes just fine with the Camry and Accord and is gaining market share. Obviously you see a ton of them. They're called the bread and butter cars for a reason.

We're not talking about those kinds of cars here. What we are talking about is a luxury flagship for GM's luxury brand. Apparently GM thinks you can make a luxury flagship by doing a quick and cheap badge job of a lowly fleet special. I beg to differ.

alright, first of all chill out. You're getting all worked up literally about nothing and your telling people they're wrong and they don't know what they are talking about when really you don't about half of the crap you say you do, so why don't you chill out alright.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by storm79

alright, first of all chill out. You're getting all worked up literally about nothing and your telling people they're wrong and they don't know what they are talking about when really you don't about half of the crap you say you do, so why don't you chill out alright.

Unfortunately, there are way too many "armchair CEOs" out there who think they know exactly what's best for the company. Then, there's two extremes, the ones who are "car guys" and think every single car needs to have its own platform, drivetrain, interior, and not share a single body panel, then there's the bean counters who want to simplify everything in the name of profit.

Both extremes don't work well, and both would run GM into the ground if given the chance.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Unfortunately, there are way too many "armchair CEOs" out there who think they know exactly what's best for the company.

I have my ideas...as we all do...but I'm comfortable knowing I'm probably wrong, that there are things I haven't considered because I don't know about them...and that there are people in the upper floors of the Renaissance Center that have been doing this stuff far longer than I have...