Fisker Karma's catch fire underwater - Page 3

*DGthe3* · 11-12-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

They did a good job of blaming the Volt fires on other things too, and even had "help" in the cover up from the "watchdog" that's supposed to make safety rules. I do not trust the Praetorian Guards of the green agenda.

Its a real shame when people ignore logic and evidence in order to push their own personal agenda, isn't it?

Captain Awesome · 11-13-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Its a real shame when people ignore logic and evidence in order to push their own personal agenda, isn't it?

That's almost as bad as people who ignore logic and evidence because they are simply too ignorant to understand, or too afraid to face reality.

Brokinarrow · 11-14-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Its a real shame when people ignore logic and evidence in order to push their own personal agenda, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

That's almost as bad as people who ignore logic and evidence because they are simply too ignorant to understand, or too afraid to face reality.

Wow, really? You just called someone ignorant when you yourself are looking pretty ignorant? Let's repeat the facts of the Volt situation: The Volt had been crash tested, left in a lot for a matter of weeks with the battery still hooked up - something which GM itself had said was unsafe. Know what happens to gasoline powered cars when they crash sometimes? They catch fire, and it doesn't take 2 weeks for it to happen... So maybe you, sir, should face a bit o reality...

C586 · 11-14-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

A 12V lead acid battery in the typical normal car only has a few amps of current. The LiIon battery in a hybrid battery can supply hundreds of amps. The Fisker battery nominally has 336V and amps in the hundreds if not more.

A few amps of current huh?? I'm pretty sure a battery has more than a few hundred amps stored in it. I'd love to see a starter crank over with only a few amps. Your an idiot. Congrats. Volts is no big deal. It's amps you need to worry about. My sister knows this basic basic stuff.

C586 · 11-14-2012, 08:45 AM

Double post.

motorhead · 11-14-2012, 09:09 AM

This entire argument is completely insane. These cars were in five to eight feet of salt water. This is not everyday or normal use for any car. Why would someone believe that these cars have safety issues from this type of event. NO car is designed to take on salt water and live to tell about. I appreciate how smart you all sound with your explanations ,but arguing over this makes you look foolish. Hybrid or no hybrid this could happen to any car in these conditions.

Scalded Dog · 11-15-2012, 12:22 PM

Pretty sure that if you sat in your vehicle for several hours under five to eight feet of seawater, fire would be of very little concern, unless you've got gills.

Scalded Dog · 11-15-2012, 12:31 PM

It's always a shame to see a manufacturer of quality vehicles get hit with junk science. Audi suffered from claims of "sudden acceleration," yet the follow-up investigations all led to driver error as being the cause. Makes for great, titilating news, but the follow-ups don't generate the same publicity... it's just not as interesting, and people only remember the scary stuff. Toyota's "sudden acceleration," same thing. Volts? I'm no greenie... probably pretty far on the other end of the spectrum, in fact (flame on, I always wear a fire retardant suit when I post), but it looks like that, too, is a damn good car, tarnished by titilating news based on junk science. How many people have been injured or experienced the possible dangers posed by the car? Oh, yeah... none. ANYTHING is possible--- the wheels on my Camaro COULD all fall off simultaneously as soon as I hit 88 MPH... or the windshield could implode on me... or a factory worker might have dropped a live grenade in my seat uphostery... but these scenarios don't seem likely, so I'm gonna keep on driving it. I'd also feel perfeclty safe driving any Audi, Toyota, or Fiskar.

Brokinarrow · 11-15-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by C586

A few amps of current huh?? I'm pretty sure a battery has more than a few hundred amps stored in it. I'd love to see a starter crank over with only a few amps. Your an idiot. Congrats. Volts is no big deal. It's amps you need to worry about. My sister knows this basic basic stuff.

Amps = rate of flow of electricity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amperage

Voltage = the electric potential difference between two points

So yes, amperage is what makes something deadly (specifically it only takes around 75 milliamps to be lethal), but batteries do not "hold" amperage.

C586 · 11-15-2012, 09:45 PM

Batteries certainly do hold amperage. Why do load tests exist?? To test how many amps a battery can put out. Also ever heard of how a battery is rated?? CCA. Meaning cold cranking amps which tells you how many amps the battery is capable of holding. Amps do the work. Voltage is what makes amperage move through the conductor. If a battery held no amperage your car wouldn't start.

Captain Awesome · 11-16-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Wow, really? You just called someone ignorant when you yourself are looking pretty ignorant? Let's repeat the facts of the Volt situation: The Volt had been crash tested, left in a lot for a matter of weeks with the battery still hooked up - something which GM itself had said was unsafe. Know what happens to gasoline powered cars when they crash sometimes? They catch fire, and it doesn't take 2 weeks for it to happen... So maybe you, sir, should face a bit o reality...

I'm not sure if this is irony squared or cubed.... I am called ignorant by someone who concludes that I called someone else ignorant and the evidence provided exhibits a profound ignorance of the facts.

Saying "THE Volt" (singular) IGNORES the fact that there were multiple cases, including some that caught fire parked in a garage after driving home without any crashes or crash testing performed on them.

It boggles the mind!

Captain Awesome · 11-16-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Scalded Dog

It's always a shame to see a manufacturer of quality vehicles get hit with junk science. Audi suffered from claims of "sudden acceleration," yet the follow-up investigations all led to driver error as being the cause. Makes for great, titilating news, but the follow-ups don't generate the same publicity... it's just not as interesting, and people only remember the scary stuff. Toyota's "sudden acceleration," same thing. Volts? I'm no greenie... probably pretty far on the other end of the spectrum, in fact (flame on, I always wear a fire retardant suit when I post), but it looks like that, too, is a damn good car, tarnished by titilating news based on junk science. How many people have been injured or experienced the possible dangers posed by the car? Oh, yeah... none. ANYTHING is possible--- the wheels on my Camaro COULD all fall off simultaneously as soon as I hit 88 MPH... or the windshield could implode on me... or a factory worker might have dropped a live grenade in my seat uphostery... but these scenarios don't seem likely, so I'm gonna keep on driving it. I'd also feel perfeclty safe driving any Audi, Toyota, or Fiskar.

Which science is "junkier"?

a) A few car sales lost because the car got a bad reputation.
b) A global economy destroyed because people wanted to sell certain types of cars that they claimed were better than other cars which were blamed for bad weather.

Captain Awesome · 11-16-2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by C586

A few amps of current huh?? I'm pretty sure a battery has more than a few hundred amps stored in it. I'd love to see a starter crank over with only a few amps. Your an idiot. Congrats. Volts is no big deal. It's amps you need to worry about. My sister knows this basic basic stuff.

Ask your sister how many Amps her starter motor fuse is and see if she understands that the starter motor has to draw less current than that fuse is rated for.

C586 · 11-16-2012, 02:05 AM

Well since you know everything and won't admit when your wrong ill let you be. A lot of cars don't have a fuse on the power cable going to/from the starter/alternator. I honestly don't know about the camaro but I know my other cars and truck don't. There are fuses for the starter relay but the main power cable goes from the battery to the starter. If it didn't draw much power the cable going to it would be small. Your what I call Internet smart. When you start working on cars and don't need wiki to walk you through something basic let me know.

11-14-2012, 08:45 AM	#33
C586 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NY Posts: 1,117	Double post.

11-14-2012, 09:09 AM	#34
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	This entire argument is completely insane. These cars were in five to eight feet of salt water. This is not everyday or normal use for any car. Why would someone believe that these cars have safety issues from this type of event. NO car is designed to take on salt water and live to tell about. I appreciate how smart you all sound with your explanations ,but arguing over this makes you look foolish. Hybrid or no hybrid this could happen to any car in these conditions.

11-15-2012, 12:22 PM	#35
Scalded Dog Drives: 2011 1LT Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Crestline, CA Posts: 3,029	Pretty sure that if you sat in your vehicle for several hours under five to eight feet of seawater, fire would be of very little concern, unless you've got gills.

11-15-2012, 12:31 PM	#36
Scalded Dog Drives: 2011 1LT Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Crestline, CA Posts: 3,029	It's always a shame to see a manufacturer of quality vehicles get hit with junk science. Audi suffered from claims of "sudden acceleration," yet the follow-up investigations all led to driver error as being the cause. Makes for great, titilating news, but the follow-ups don't generate the same publicity... it's just not as interesting, and people only remember the scary stuff. Toyota's "sudden acceleration," same thing. Volts? I'm no greenie... probably pretty far on the other end of the spectrum, in fact (flame on, I always wear a fire retardant suit when I post), but it looks like that, too, is a damn good car, tarnished by titilating news based on junk science. How many people have been injured or experienced the possible dangers posed by the car? Oh, yeah... none. ANYTHING is possible--- the wheels on my Camaro COULD all fall off simultaneously as soon as I hit 88 MPH... or the windshield could implode on me... or a factory worker might have dropped a live grenade in my seat uphostery... but these scenarios don't seem likely, so I'm gonna keep on driving it. I'd also feel perfeclty safe driving any Audi, Toyota, or Fiskar.

11-15-2012, 09:45 PM	#38
C586 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NY Posts: 1,117	Batteries certainly do hold amperage. Why do load tests exist?? To test how many amps a battery can put out. Also ever heard of how a battery is rated?? CCA. Meaning cold cranking amps which tells you how many amps the battery is capable of holding. Amps do the work. Voltage is what makes amperage move through the conductor. If a battery held no amperage your car wouldn't start.

11-16-2012, 02:05 AM	#42
C586 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NY Posts: 1,117	Well since you know everything and won't admit when your wrong ill let you be. A lot of cars don't have a fuse on the power cable going to/from the starter/alternator. I honestly don't know about the camaro but I know my other cars and truck don't. There are fuses for the starter relay but the main power cable goes from the battery to the starter. If it didn't draw much power the cable going to it would be small. Your what I call Internet smart. When you start working on cars and don't need wiki to walk you through something basic let me know.