Alabama governor signs nation's toughest immigration law.

[AZCamaroFan]

I didn't use to think as much about it, but after they started marching down the streets here waving foreign flags, and their kids marching out of the schools too i got sick of it.
And hearing how it's "their land"

And my best friend all through junior high and high school wasn't a citizen. His dad was, his younger brother was. They all immigrated from el salvador. He and his mom had green cards and were naturalized about 5 months after he graduated high school.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Only thing I agree with you on.
But people say that is if it's so damn easy to just go get anturalized an become a citizen.

My uncle, who's father, mother, and all his sisters are U.S. Citizens, just now got his citizenship. AFTER 20+ YEARS OF WAIT. Only because he was not born on this side of the border like the rest of his family.
Tell me how fair that is? Entire families seperated for decades because of this.
The truth is if ICE doesn't change their citizenship proccess, illegal immigration is going to continue at a rapid pace. The problem needs to be fixed from the source.

i think that if they are of age to join the US military, they should be able to go that route. Do a 4 year term, and when you get out, you are a citizen.

edit: i guess the hard part about that would be the language barrier.

[UT-Engineer]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Its called sarcasm

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by UT-Enginner

Its called sarcasm

[UT-Engineer]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

And those jobs could of been done by Americans. I for one would spend more on an American made product than one produced in China.

So if your 2SS was complety American made you would be willing to spend more than $30K+ for it... possibly ($45-50K)?

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

I didn't use to think as much about it, but after they started marching down the streets here waving foreign flags, and their kids marching out of the schools too i got sick of it.
And hearing how it's "their land"

And my best friend all through junior high and high school wasn't a citizen. His dad was, his younger brother was. They all immigrated from el salvador. He and his mom had green cards and were naturalized about 5 months after he graduated high school.

That was so stupid.
I actually have family on the other side of the border and never "marched"
That was just a bucnh of high school kids trying to find a reason to ditch school. 90% of people had no idea why they were out there.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

i think that if they are of age to join the US military, they should be able to go that route. Do a 4 year term, and when you get out, you are a citizen.

edit: i guess the hard part about that would be the language barrier.

It's a good idea. They could take classes while in the military.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

And those jobs could of been done by Americans. I for one would spend more on an American made product than one produced in China.

however, here is where I divert a little from hardcore immigration folks.

this speaks to the whole outsourcing of our jobs overseas...

Mike Rowe spoke about it to congress, the lack of tradesman in the US. I'm a bit off topic but will bring it back...
LOL

essentially, American laborers are too damn expensive. legal immigrant workers are not. and they are some of the hardest workers you will ever find.

So, unless we want the prices of homes to surge we have to keep labor costs competitive.

so I am actually for more lenient work visa laws but am for the strict enforcement of immigration laws.... if that makes sense.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

i think that if they are of age to join the US military, they should be able to go that route. Do a 4 year term, and when you get out, you are a citizen.

edit: i guess the hard part about that would be the language barrier.

And how would you recruit? I doubt Mexico or Canada is going to be cool with seting up a recruiting station for military?

There should be streamlined ways to become a US citizen. Milk, I am not unsensitive to the family plight of trying to obtain citizenship. But like your family had to wait and DID wait and obtain legal citizenship through great patience and strife and anguish, I would think that it woud piss you off that some thumb their noses at it and just take it illegaly.

Some families go through the time, money, and pains of obtaining this. And others just take it. If I were from Mexico and had went through all of that to legally get here, I'd look at the illegals as thieves.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere. And what good is that line if it's not enforced? I'm just for enforcing that line.

And it really doesn't help when rallys are held in arrogance with the Mexican or Canadia flag.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by PQ

And how would you recruit? I doubt Mexico or Canada is going to be cool with seting up a recruiting station for military?

There should be streamlined ways to become a US citizen. Milk, I am not unsensitive to the family plight of trying to obtain citizenship. But like your family had to wait and DID wait and obtain legal citizenship through great patience and strife and anguish, I would think that it woud piss you off that some thumb their noses at it and just take it illegaly.

Some families go through the time, money, and pains of obtaining this. And others just take it. If I were from Mexico and had went through all of that to legally get here, I'd look at the illegals as thieves.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere. And what good is that line if it's not enforced? I'm just for enforcing that line.

And it really doesn't help when rallys are held in arrogance with the Mexican or Canadia flag.

I agree with you 100%. But like I said the problem needs to be fixed at the source. Making laws that are based on racial profiling is not the way to go.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by PQ

And how would you recruit? I doubt Mexico or Canada is going to be cool with seting up a recruiting station for military?

set up recruiting stations on the border

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

The way I read it, officers will stop people if they seem to be illegal immigrants. If they are stopped for a violation and can't produce id, it's a different story.

Yep, that is the key, and the same thing applies to AZ, Once stopped for committing a crime or violation, you must provide valid ID.

Only time you can detain someone for suspicion of illegal immigration is within certain amount of miles from an international border (forgot the distance). Or an acting international border, such as an international airport.

Yep, that is why the BP check points are where they are...

Tell me, how are officers going to decide who "looks" like an illegal immigrant?


I've lived in CA for 9 years... and I agree there is some truth to the fact that the LEO's are .... hard to get along with... But at the end of the day, it's not the law that's the problem....


That's a different story. That's not how I'm reading this.

Only thing I agree with you on.
But people say that is if it's so damn easy to just go get naturalized an become a citizen.

My uncle, who's father, mother, and all his sisters are U.S. Citizens, just now got his citizenship. AFTER 20+ YEARS OF WAIT. Only because he was not born on this side of the border like the rest of his family.
Tell me how fair that is? Entire families seperated for decades because of this.
The truth is if ICE doesn't change their citizenship proccess, illegal immigration is going to continue at a rapid pace. The problem needs to be fixed from the source.

I tend to agree Milk... it should be easier... After watching what "G" went through and what some of my family go through it is frustrating... But I'm still for the enforcement of the law.

Originally Posted by UT-Enginner

Its called sarcasm

wow... big time

Originally Posted by PQ

And how would you recruit? I doubt Mexico or Canada is going to be cool with seting up a recruiting station for military?

There should be streamlined ways to become a US citizen. Milk, I am not unsensitive to the family plight of trying to obtain citizenship. But like your family had to wait and DID wait and obtain legal citizenship through great patience and strife and anguish, I would think that it woud piss you off that some thumb their noses at it and just take it illegaly.

Some families go through the time, money, and pains of obtaining this. And others just take it. If I were from Mexico and had went through all of that to legally get here, I'd look at the illegals as thieves.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere. And what good is that line if it's not enforced? I'm just for enforcing that line.

And it really doesn't help when rallys are held in arrogance with the Mexican or Canadia flag.

Most Latin Americans were not in favor of those demonstrations. FWIW

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

set up recruiting stations on the border

I'm not sure, but there are some funky laws about that. the US Navy actually runs recruiting ads in Mexico...

I was in one... LOL

I'm not sure if you have to be a natualized citizen to join the military or not????

[CamaroSkooter]

I applaud Alabama for taking the initiative, but....

...I was not aware that Alabama had a hard time with illegal immigration... gotta keep out those pesky Mississippians, Floridians, Georgians and Tennesseans

(See attached photo)

[Milk 1027]

I just see a law suit in the near future, if the Supreme Court doesn't step in before-hand.