Inside Line Genesis Coupe Full Test

[manimsoblack]

It's ugly, It's slow, It's Hyundai... nuff said.

[Lumina SS]

In car and drive the auto Genesis coupe is 5.7 sec 0 to 60 mph and quarter mile is 14.0 sec

[Mr. Wyndham]

Stovt001, let me preface this by saying I very much respect your quest to compare these cars as fairly as possible. I want to rebut some thing you said though:

Originally Posted by stovt001

Edmunds 0-60 time seems to be an anomaly. Most others I've seen are deep into the 5 second range. And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN WE STOP ASSUMING $30K IS THE BASE PRICE? That's a V6 with a leather interior and all the boxes checked. Take a 2LT Camaro, check all the option boxes, including the sport suspension and brembo brakes...

Can you quote those, please? Just curious...
As for the price...$30 thousand is what will get you these "fabulous" performance numbers. No less. So unless you want a bumbly little genesis with a V6...you have to pony up 30k.

Originally Posted by stovt001

oh wait, you can't get those things on the V6 Camaro.

Nope. Because the suspension comes standard.. Of course I'll admit the brakes aren't as good. But the suspension is an improved version of what's in the G8 GT. The Camaro comes with a Sport suspension right out of the box; for $22,995. It's just a mental letdown that it isn't called the "track package".

Originally Posted by stovt001

It reduces torque on hard upshifts to protect the drivetrain.

I'm hesitant to investigate the reasons the drivetrain needs such an invasive and performance-inhibiting protection mechanism...see "tin can" below...

Originally Posted by stovt001

but I know just as many people who think the Camaro is ugly.

What?! C'mon now -- don't be exaggerating things...

Originally Posted by stovt001

Also, I'd like to point out that this photo illustrates that the seats will actually hold you in place in turns:

Are you trying to insinuate the Camaro won't? Have you been in either car?

Originally Posted by stovt001

Also note the Genesis coupe has a curb weight closer to what a performance car should actually weigh.

I disagree with this. Everyone has an opinion as to what they think something "should" be...But look at the facts, here:

The Genesis is a smaller car in every dimension. That alone explains 75% of the issue. And it's a take it or leave it issue. Some, like me, feel the Camaro is absolutely the perfect size. Others would like it larger, and some would like it smaller....it is what it is...

The Camaro...was built for a V8 from the start. As such, ALL models benefit from the designed ability to withstand stupid amounts of power and torque. In fact, go look up the Genesis sedan with the V6 and V8...It's much closer in dimensions to the Camaro. It's about the same weight V6 for V6, but heavier than the Camaro where the V8 is concerned. The coupe model has that same V6, and managed to shave 350 pounds off. I'm convinced that in addition to being a far smaller car -- the coupe is an absolute tin can where structure is concerned....

Originally Posted by stovt001

Edmunds botched their numbers. Everyone else has gotten better, and I know this really doesn't mean much but if you bench race the stats you have to figure the real numbers have to be much better. You can't get a track package on the Camaro V6 at any price, and I imagine the more reasonable weight pays big dividends in the actual driving experience as well.

Again -- what exactly does the "track" package do for the car? And at $30,000 to GET that track package -- I don't think it matters that the V6 Camaro has the option: get the SS.

I'm sure the Genesis will feel as though you can throw it around like a toy thanks to it's low weight, whereas the Camaro will have a more solid feel to it (while still being ABLE to throw it around). Personally -- I like that solid feel....but that's me.

Finally...read this. You'll find a more tame representation of the Genesis coupe here...and keep in mind the V6 Camaro's already been hailed as the American G37...http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=161982

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Stovt001, let me preface this by saying I very much respect your quest to compare these cars as fairly as possible. I want to rebut some thing you said though:


Can you quote those, please? Just curious...
As for the price...$30 thousand is what will get you these "fabulous" performance numbers. No less. So unless you want a bumbly little genesis with a V6...you have to pony up 30k.


Nope. Because the suspension comes standard.. Of course I'll admit the brakes aren't as good. But the suspension is an improved version of what's in the G8 GT. The Camaro comes with a Sport suspension right out of the box; for $22,995. It's just a mental letdown that it isn't called the "track package".

I'm hesitant to investigate the reasons the drivetrain needs such an invasive and performance-inhibiting protection mechanism...see "tin can" below...


What?! C'mon now -- don't be exaggerating things...


Are you trying to insinuate the Camaro won't? Have you been in either car?


I disagree with this. Everyone has an opinion as to what they think something "should" be...But look at the facts, here:

The Genesis is a smaller car in every dimension. That alone explains 75% of the issue. And it's a take it or leave it issue. Some, like me, feel the Camaro is absolutely the perfect size. Others would like it larger, and some would like it smaller....it is what it is...

The Camaro...was built for a V8 from the start. As such, ALL models benefit from the designed ability to withstand stupid amounts of power and torque. In fact, go look up the Genesis sedan with the V6 and V8...It's much closer in dimensions to the Camaro. It's about the same weight V6 for V6, but heavier than the Camaro where the V8 is concerned. The coupe model has that same V6, and managed to shave 350 pounds off. I'm convinced that in addition to being a far smaller car -- the coupe is an absolute tin can where structure is concerned....


Again -- what exactly does the "track" package do for the car? And at $30,000 to GET that track package -- I don't think it matters that the V6 Camaro has the option: get the SS.

I'm sure the Genesis will feel as though you can throw it around like a toy thanks to it's low weight, whereas the Camaro will have a more solid feel to it (while still being ABLE to throw it around). Personally -- I like that solid feel....but that's me.

Finally...read this. You'll find a more tame representation of the Genesis coupe here...and keep in mind the V6 Camaro's already been hailed as the American G37...http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=161982

YEA!


What he said...

[Mr. Wyndham]

I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to say anything close to the notion that this isn't a nice ride. I simply just think that it's being way over-represented, and its competitors (Camarocoughcough) are being undercut some...

[stovt001]

You know, we keep saying to get those numbers you need the track pack, which is true, but I wonder what the difference would be without the track pack. That would really make the difference in determining whether it can compete in the low to mid $20K range.

[Goblue]

I love HYUNDAI!:b onk:

[Lumina SS]

Originally Posted by stovt001

You know, we keep saying to get those numbers you need the track pack, which is true, but I wonder what the difference would be without the track pack. That would really make the difference in determining whether it can compete in the low to mid $20K range.

you should see this link:-

http://wot.motortrend.com/6446488/au...rge/index.html

[Lumina SS]

hyundai is 14.0 sec auto
manual is 14.2

here is the link

http://motortrend.automotive.com/103...est/specs.html

[DGthe3]

Those numbers aren't too good for the price. But, they are also edmunds numbers which are consistently slower than most others report (they did say it was 6.1 with 1ft of roll out). No matter how you cut it, its worse performance than we are expecting out of the V6 Camaros, and the Genesis will cost more unless you start adding options to the Camaro.

[diddiyo]

you also have to see with what options the base cars come with. steel wheels? are you kidding me?

*edit*
lol read this. some guy got a ticket while doing a test drive in the gen coupe ;p
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4274832&page=1

Officer: License, registration and proof of insurance.
Salesman: Officer my name is Joe Black and we are test…
Officer: I am speaking to the driver (with a loud voice).
Me: (open wallet and handed him my license) officer, this is not my car.

[JaysonAych]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Id buy a base 370z and have a faster, better handling, better looking, better built, and better driving car.





The End.

This of course assumes the Nissan will indeed be better built (even if you're still thinking about the quality of 1980's Hyundais and not taking into account that their quality is now ranked as good as anyone else's by many independent quality assessments, I've not heard good things about Nissan reliability and materials cheapness either, especially on Z cars). As far as the hard numbers such as the 0-60 and so on, are you going to be drag racing the car every day? Taking it to the track? For most buyers, the answer is likely no. The raw numbers may have it a tad slower than the Z, but for day to day use is still going to be plenty fast and corner very well...when comparing base to base, the Z is $5,000 more expensive, and loaded to loaded, the Z is about $7,500 more expensive. It's entirely your judgment call, as is your opinion on the styling and the feel of each car's drivability, but a lot of people are going to say it's not $5,000-$7,500 better. Some people would say $5,000 worth of mods would go a long way toward making a Genesis Coupe blow a stock base Z out of the water. And people who simply can't afford a $30K car may also say the Genesis Coupe will be just fine.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by JaysonAych

This of course assumes the Nissan will indeed be better built (even if you're still thinking about the quality of 1980's Hyundais and not taking into account that their quality is now ranked as good as anyone else's by many independent quality assessments, I've not heard good things about Nissan reliability and materials cheapness either, especially on Z cars). As far as the hard numbers such as the 0-60 and so on, are you going to be drag racing the car every day? Taking it to the track? For most buyers, the answer is likely no. The raw numbers may have it a tad slower than the Z, but for day to day use is still going to be plenty fast and corner very well...when comparing base to base, the Z is $5,000 more expensive, and loaded to loaded, the Z is about $7,500 more expensive. It's entirely your judgment call, as is your opinion on the styling and the feel of each car's drivability, but a lot of people are going to say it's not $5,000-$7,500 better. Some people would say $5,000 worth of mods would go a long way toward making a Genesis Coupe blow a stock base Z out of the water. And people who simply can't afford a $30K car may also say the Genesis Coupe will be just fine.

The people that think its not 5k better have never driven a Z.



Besides, like i said, id take the BASE Z over the top Genesis.

[JaysonAych]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

The people that think its not 5k better have never driven a Z.

That's inaccurate. Edmunds drove a G37 (which is basically a Z) and said its price difference was not enought to justify the very minor and sometimes imperceptible statistical acheivements it had over the Genesis Coupe. You can draw the conclusions that they would feel the same way about its decontented less prestigious cousin.

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Besides, like i said, id take the BASE Z over the top Genesis.

If that's how you want to spend your money, then good on you. However, a lot of people are going to see that X car performs almost as well as Y car, X car is fully loaded while Y car is stripped, and they're both the same price...and would pick X because they get more for the money.