GT 500 Aluminum block??

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

When you look at the price...and then it's faster than similar performers(Camarocoughcough),why would you not take it seriously?
Is it the handling? Yes,the Camaro will handle better,but if you're going that route,why not get a STI,it's also just as fast as a Camaro,and it wil outhandle it......because,well,when you look at the price.....and than compare it to the price of similar performers(Camarocoughcough).....it's hard to take to the Camaro seriously,because it can't fit a Dishwasher in the back like a STI could.

STi MSRP - 35k. no options, no leather, no electronics. 35k you get a shell.

305hp
0-60 in 4.8
Lat G's .9
1/4 mile ... 13.5

Camaro MSRP - 31k.

426hp
est. 0-60 in 4.6
est. .94 G's
est. 12's



.....???


where is the competative comparison?

not to mention the Sti may just be the stupidest looking car on the planet.


Edit. maybe you ment the new mustang...

2010 Mustang.

330hp
0-60 in 5.2

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

STi MSRP - 35k. no options, no leather, no electronics. 35k you get a shell.

Wow,you made no attempt to even bother to look that up info did you? Just pulled it off the top of your head........It's 35K......and it's loaded with pretty much everything STANDARD(that means leather also....),except for maybe wheels and bluetooth,there are no options.
My POINT,which you missed,is that the Camaro SS and STI peform very similar as do the GT500 and supposedly the SS. The STI will outhandle the SS easily........and it's a better value because of it's added features for the money(AWD,and namely the ulitilty of 5 doors),BUT.....and here is where you missed my point.....BUT,you wouldn't dismiss the performance of the Camaro because it lacked the handling prowess of the Scooby.....would you? The GT500 may lack the value and may have less handling than the SS,but you would be ignorant to dismiss it's performance.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by drivingincamaro

so v6 is free willy

and the r/t is a sperm whale

and the srt is a blue whale or moby dick

just making things clear

just kidding

im just having some fun

isnt moby dick a sperm whale tho...

Originally Posted by nester7929

More like an aircraft carrier hauling a square mile of lead.

maybe its me.... but every time I see a challenger, I cant help but thinking of driving this for comparison on handling....

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

When you look at the price...and then it's faster than similar performers(Camarocoughcough),why would you not take it seriously?
Is it the handling? Yes,the Camaro will handle better,but if you're going that route,why not get a STI,it's also just as fast as a Camaro,and it wil outhandle it......because,well,when you look at the price.....and than compare it to the price of similar performers(Camarocoughcough).....it's hard to take to the Camaro seriously,because it can't fit a Dishwasher in the back like a STI could.

That's not exactly what I meant. Forgive me for the following...because I don't have the MSRP for an '09 GT500 on-hand (and I"m running out the door).

For 40-some thousand dollars. Yes, you get one helluva performer in the GT500. But for 30-some, you can get a Camaro SS...that performs better or equal in nearly all areas. That's why I can't take the current one all that seriously. The new one, however, is somewhat impressive for its price-point ('moderately' because that's still Corvette territory....). And I give Ford kudos for improving it.

(and imports aren't even on my radar...sorry. )

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Wow,you made no attempt to even bother to look that up info did you? Just pulled it off the top of your head........It's 35K......and it's loaded with pretty much everything STANDARD(that means leather also....),except for maybe wheels and bluetooth,there are no options.
My POINT,which you missed,is that the Camaro SS and STI peform very similar as do the GT500 and supposedly the SS. The STI will outhandle the SS easily........and it's a better value because of it's added features for the money(AWD,and namely the ulitilty of 5 doors),BUT.....and here is where you missed my point.....BUT,you wouldn't dismiss the performance of the Camaro because it lacked the handling prowess of the Scooby.....would you? The GT500 may lack the value and may have less handling than the SS,but you would be ignorant to dismiss it's performance.

Ahhhhhh, so you have to ignore that it's slower, underpowered, less capable of taking corners AND more expensive before it looks like the better value. Sorry that didn't make sense for a second thanks for clearing that up.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

That's not exactly what I meant. Forgive me for the following...because I don't have the MSRP for an '09 GT500 on-hand (and I"m running out the door).

For 40-some thousand dollars. Yes, you get one helluva performer in the GT500. But for 30-some, you can get a Camaro SS...that performs better or equal in nearly all areas. That's why I can't take the current one all that seriously. The new one, however, is somewhat impressive for its price-point ('moderately' because that's still Corvette territory....). And I give Ford kudos for improving it.

(and imports aren't even on my radar...sorry. )

Okay,i'll give you that one,i misunderstood you.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Ahhhhhh, so you have to ignore that it's slower, underpowered, less capable of taking corners AND more expensive before it looks like the better value. Sorry that didn't make sense for a second thanks for clearing that up.

Slower? Underpowered? So you guess at the standard features of the STI and are completely wrong and now,i'm beginning to think you don't know what the GT500 is at all........i think you just take the opposite side of whatever argument,regardless of you not knowing what we are arguing about......sorry i didn't get that before,but thanks for clearing that up.
By the way,you should look up the GT500,it's quite nice,you'll see pics and everything and maybe next time you'll know what the grown-ups are talking about.

[CamaroSpike23]

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Slower? Underpowered? So you guess at the standard features of the STI and are completely wrong and now,i'm beginning to think you don't know what the GT500 is at all........i think you just take the opposite side of whatever argument,regardless of you not knowing what we are arguing about......sorry i didn't get that before,but thanks for clearing that up.
By the way,you should look up the GT500,it's quite nice,you'll see pics and everything and maybe next time you'll know what the grown-ups are talking about.

i was talking about the Sti special ed.


BTW reading your posts is painfull and feels like if you had handwritten them they would have been done with a crayon. please exercise a little grammar and proper punctuation please.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

i was talking about the Sti special ed.


BTW reading your posts is painfull and feels like if you had handwritten them they would have been done with a crayon. please exercise a little grammar and proper punctuation please.

Oh,i'm sorry,i thought you meant the GT500,because you included the phrase..."less capable of taking corners"........yeah,so the almost 400 pound-LIGHTER AWD car made by SUBARU,who i don't know,has been doing this for awhile.......is "less capable of taking corners" than the Camaro.........I think this tells us all we need to know about you.
How does your tiny brain muster up the power to get your fingers to type this mess.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Oh,i'm sorry,i thought you meant the GT500,because you included the phrase..."less capable of taking corners"........yeah,so the almost 400 pound-LIGHTER AWD car made by SUBARU,who i don't know,has been doing this for awhile.......is "less capable of taking corners" than the Camaro.........I think this tells us all we need to know about you.
How does your tiny brain muster up the power to get your fingers to type this mess.

numbers dont lie. less lat acceleration, less capable of turning at high speed.

for instance the Corvette z06 pulls right around 1 G, and your mustang probably pulled a .3

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

numbers dont lie. less lat acceleration, less capable of turning at high speed.

for instance the Corvette z06 pulls right around 1 G, and your mustang probably pulled a .3

Numbers don't lie,the ability to turn quickly in circles is about as meaningless as 0-60 times. Handling and grip are two completely different things,and again,your lack of logic that makes you think a Camaro will outhandle a STI astounds me. This is fun though,post some more........wait,wait................. i can't stop

[MerFmobile]

Just so I understand this correctly, handling and grip don't go hand-in-hand when we are talking about an STi?

I'm a Scooby fan myself, but don't go fooling yourself into thinking AWD makes up for a lack of balance and structural tuning. You praise to Subaru having done this for years applies to dirt racing...where AWD matters most.

As for the GT500 comparison, it's a fine specimen but the bang for your buck still belongs to Chevy...for the Vette all along and soon for the Camaro again.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by MerFmobile

Just so I understand this correctly, handling and grip don't go hand-in-hand when we are talking about an STi?

I'm a Scooby fan myself, but don't go fooling yourself into thinking AWD makes up for a lack of balance and structural tuning. You praise to Subaru having done this for years applies to dirt racing...where AWD matters most.

As for the GT500 comparison, it's a fine specimen but the bang for your buck still belongs to Chevy...for the Vette all along and soon for the Camaro again.

True, the GT500 is not going to win any bang-for-the-buck contests, that's a given. I don't even understand why anyone would want to argue the point.