The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[AmericanV8]

Dang, you must be one heck of a driver! I have both the Camaro SS and the 300 SRT8 and the SS always wins by 1-3 car lengths. The SRT8 keeps up in first gear and thats it. I know it's not a Challenger but they are similar in many ways. I'm not being sarcastic either I love Mopar and nothing sounds like that 6.1 Hemi. If I wasn't upside down $4800 on the 300 SRT8 I would get a Challenger today!

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Slow?



Just so you know..the DA was 2,559 feet. Running the calculator that turns to..

13.188 @ 106.629 MPH

That was on stock tires, stock exhaust, stock tune, stock suspension and 89 octane gas. The only "performance" mod I had was a K&N Series 63 CAI.

So...extremely lightly modded, and at sea level it would have run 13.1 seconds. With a DA of over 2500 feet it ran 13.6

How is that slow?

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Dude, he lives in Texas. I'm sure he is used to racing in 100+ degree weather and 90+% humidity.

But not at 5,000 feet, or even 1400 feet.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

So..you dont buy into the idea that a car will run better at sea level than at 1,410 feet of elevation, in weather conditions that made it more like 2,550 feet?

Because that is all the DA calculations do, they use math formulas to adjust for changing, known conditions and convert the time accordingly. NASCAR and the NHRA use the same principle.

I understand that, but I didn't know NHRA takes ET's and then adjusts them for elevation and various temp and humidity factors. That must transpire during commercial break I guess.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Well that's just stupid. Why in the world would I want to drive to Denver to race my car that was built here in TEXAS? Maybe if I lived in Denver, I would have a different set up?? Wow man, were you really being serious?

He's explaining that different elevations and weather conditions make for better or worse runs.

Ideally a proper comparison would be to take both cars times, respective of their conditions, and convert them to sea level numbers, essentially a "level playing field"

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

I wasnt saying the Challenger routinely beats Mustangs, I was saying that if he says a car that runs a 13.1-13.3 nearly stock is slow..then there are alot of "slow" Mustangs and GT's.

LMAO at them trying to keep saying the R/T runs 13.1-13.3s stock. Can you show us ONE single, independent credible source who ran a 13.1 in a stock R/T?

All the mags I saw got 13.6-13.8s out of them...

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

I understand that, but I didn't know NHRA takes ET's and then adjusts them for elevation and various temp and humidity factors. That must transpire during commercial break I guess.

In a heads up race they dont..but when estimating a cars performance in a different location they apply the known DA formulas to adjust the cars tuning for that venue.

Lets say they're racing in Colorado, and they are then going to be racing at Englishtown, NJ. They can apply their numbers in Colorado to a converter and estimate what they will run in New Jersey, and tune accordingly.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

But not at 5,000 feet, or even 1400 feet.

Exactly, that altitude and thin air would definitely wreak havoc on a FI set up like mine. Like I said, I would probably go with a different set up were I living in the mountains, but I'm not. I do have to be concerned with heat saturation down here with a non intercooled car. I can get into the boost on maybe 3 consecutive passes before I have to let it cool down some. When it's 85 deg and 10% humidity up there, it's 105 deg and 85% humidity down here.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

LMAO at them trying to keep saying the R/T runs 13.1-13.3s stock. Can you show us ONE single independent, credible source who ran a 13.1 in a stock R/T?

All the mags I saw got 13.6-13.8s out of them...

Would it make you feel better if I took pictures of the exhaust, exhaust manifold, tires and suspension on my car so you can see that is is essentially stock?

Everyone says "CAI's dont really do anything huge", thats why I consider the K&N unit to be a very minor mod, equal to changing out a stock air filter.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

He's explaining that different elevations and weather conditions make for better or worse runs.

Ideally a proper comparison would be to take both cars times, respective of their conditions, and convert them to sea level numbers, essentially a "level playing field"

But by your own admission, by referencing NHRA and NASCAR, wouldn't he already have the proper tune or set up for running at that altitude?? If the answer is no, then again, I think it's silly to run a certain time and then knock tenths off by calculating what you could've run closer to sea level. It would be similar to me finding out how many tenths I could knock off my times by running slicks or dr's and then adjusting my times on runs with street tires to that.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

But not at 5,000 feet, or even 1400 feet.

Reef is right, it's borderline bench racing to 'correct' times. You run what you ran.

So, while Denver may be alot higher, do they ever have months of 100+ degree days with 90+% humidity? See how it all kinda evens out?

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

LMAO at them trying to keep saying the R/T runs 13.1-13.3s stock. Can you show us ONE single, independent credible source who ran a 13.1 in a stock R/T?

All the mags I saw got 13.6-13.8s out of them...

Well here again, the run he posted WAS a 13.6 but now 13.1 with DA factored in....

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

All the mags I saw got 13.6-13.8s out of them...

thats where you went wrong.

on a lighter note...its kinda funny that we are all probably at work, supposed to be working and we are on here bickering back and forth about this!

[ViperTomcat]

Alright guys..whatever helps you sleep better at night. I just hope that you'll point out that DA correction is "borderline bench racing" on all time posts you come across.

Since in Denver a Camaro can run 14.5 second quarter miles, then I guess it is a 14 second car. Fair is fair.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Would it make you feel better if I took pictures of the exhaust, exhaust manifold, tires and suspension on my car so you can see that is is essentially stock?

So you can't show us one credible, independent source then, right?

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Everyone says "CAI's dont really do anything huge", thats why I consider the K&N unit to be a very minor mod, equal to changing out a stock air filter.

Maybe on your car it's a very minor mod, but my intake and tune added about 22 rwhp to my car. Either way, it's not stock.