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[Milk 1027]

fanboyism is a really nasty thing. I agree that the stories are getting a bit old.

just saying....

[TheCaptain]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

I like the Genisis for what it is.

An ugly, overwieght, underpowered pig? (coupe) lol

[Rtoups]

I have trouble following your rant/argument. You start out talking about how Hyundai is "stealing" sales from other automakers. Well, yeah, that is how the free market works.

Then you start talking about how Hyundai has made it's sales from fleet sales. So? How is that relevant? Sales are sales, no matter what.

Are Hyundai's design studios pumping out tons of fresh ideas? No, not really. I agree with you on that. But you are acting like a company should be required to pen completely radical designs. But in reality, that doesn't make sense. If they are spending less money on design, those savings are directly felt by the consumer. That is part of why Hyundai can sell the Genesis can sell for lower than competing European cars, even with similar options.

These rants are quite tiring. This is a globalized market. It is foolish for you, as a consumer, to label a company as trash simply because you think their vehicles are gonna fall apart at the seams.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Nothing wrong with Hyundai or there products. You need to get out more.

You ARE Kidding, right? You missed the smiley or something.

[DGthe3]

you criticize Hyundai for increasing fleet sales, yet admit that most of those sales came from GM's own reduction in such sales. The IQS isn't a good barometer for quality, but whats better? Talking to a biased friend/neighbour/co-worker/internet fanboy? GM get much praise from such sources either. Copying designs, who in the industry doesn't copy style elements and trends? The Genesis is a success because its the company's first attempt at such a car. Most other brands have been building similar cars for decades, they know how to do it right via years of experience. For an upstart to reach their level this quickly is impressive.

Lastly, I don't really like Hyundai and all things equal, they'd be one of my last choices for cars. They're someplace after Volkswagen and before Toyota. But what they've done over the last 20 years is more impressive than what any other automaker has done.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by Rtoups

Are Hyundai's design studios pumping out tons of fresh ideas? No, not really. I agree with you on that. But you are acting like a company should be required to pen completely radical designs. But in reality, that doesn't make sense. If they are spending less money on design, those savings are directly felt by the consumer. That is part of why Hyundai can sell the Genesis can sell for lower than competing European cars, even with similar options.

It's not so much that the designs have to be radical, they should just not be a compilation of their competitors. Even reviewers are stating that the designs are just short of stolen. Chevys have a theme, Fords have a theme and Hyundais theme is it looks a little like this or that. From a purely business stand point it's brilliant.

1) Copy something successful
2) Sell it cheaper than that very thing you copied
3) ???
4) Profit!!!

I don't agree with it, but hey more power too them. They'll never do well enough to be a true industry leader till they start to innovate, but they'll stay afloat.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Lastly, I don't really like Hyundai and all things equal, they'd be one of my last choices for cars. They're someplace after Volkswagen and before Toyota. But what they've done over the last 20 years is more impressive than what any other automaker has done.

It's easier to go from piss poor to decent than to improve on a good thing. They didn't have any ground to lose.

[Revo1]

Sorry. Had to do it.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

It's not so much that the designs have to be radical, they should just not be a compilation of their competitors. Even reviewers are stating that the designs are just short of stolen. Chevys have a theme, Fords have a theme and Hyundais theme is it looks a little like this or that. From a purely business stand point it's brilliant.

1) Copy something successful
2) Sell it cheaper than that very thing you copied
3) ???
4) Profit!!!

I don't agree with it, but hey more power too them. They'll never do well enough to be a true industry leader till they start to innovate, but they'll stay afloat.



It's easier to go from piss poor to decent than to improve on a good thing. They didn't have any ground to lose.

At least they continuously improved. GM hardly did much during the 90's to improve themselves (compared to the competition) and ended up moving backwards while the Japanese and Koreans moved ahead. Only lately did they get to work at improving things, when apparently it was too late.

[diddiyo]

DGthe3 would you please step out of this conversation, you are making too much sense for Cmicasa the Great XvX to understand.

[Camarorss350]

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[1320junkie]

Everyone has to start off somewhere, Hyundai has done alot since it's inception. I remember I had to take my jag in for routine service and they gave me one to drive. I balked at the idea of me driving a Hyundai, they talked me into..and after driving it I was very impressed. Anyway who made the first automobile and how many of our now favorite auto makers followed there lead only to branch out into more original styles later?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Aaaaahh the Genesis. The most heavily promoted car to ever come outta Korea... and all of Asia this year. How much promotion U say?? So much so that they made two version that have absolutely no resemblance to each other and called them the same thing. Essentially it would have been the same thing if when Chevy created the “Aveo” but called it the Tahoe... it created a full-size SUV that looked nothing like it and also called it… the Tahoe. WTF?

Or, you could say that it would be like another large automaker, say GM, building a sedan badged as a Lumina, only to badge a largely unrelated minivan as a Lumina during the very same time frame.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

The Genesis Sedan, a knock off of the old S-Class and current 5series, AND COUPE, a virtual twin to the Infiniti G37, have sold a combined 11,953. The Pontiac G8… a sedan only, with absolutely no marketing what so ever since it debuted… sold 18,095. Hell.. even the Camaro has sold 22,510 units thus far. The Lucerne has sold 18, 193, and even the OLD Lacrosse has sold 11, 410 units almost equaling the sales of the brand new Hyundais. SO TELL ME… HOW THE **** is it a Success when the others are supposedly not???

Wow, your post attempts to make this matter appear far more basic than it really is. The Genesis can be a success while the G8 was a failure for the same reason that the Camaro is a success while the Ford Five Hundred was a failure despite similar sales volume for both. Different cars are designed with different sales volumes in mind from the outset, that initial planning means that those cars will begin to turn a profit at a different production point. The Genesis sedan may only need to move 15,000 units a year in the US to turn a modest profit, while the G8 might have required five times that number. We have no way of knowing without the manufacturer telling us.

That said, GM obviously felt the G8 was a failure since they let the car die with the brand...and your opinion certainly can't spin that one. And as for no marketing, funny, but I remember seeing some G8 commericals on tv....I honestly cannot recall ever seeing a tv commercial for the Genesis sedan.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Lastly… the Equus looks like a cross between the NEW Lacrosse and an Elephant.

Looks are subjective, I think the G8 looks like a large, rwd late 1990's Accord sedan with a Pontiac grille. We all like what we like, and while I am less than enamored with the styling of the Equus I find it no less appealing than the styling of the G8.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Nuff said

We're well beyond that point.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Nothing wrong with Hyundai or there products. You need to get out more.

Dude that comment is as misguided and simple-minded as that picture in your avatar of DUBYA taking a bite out of that seeming DELICIOUS cat. Hyundais are massively derived, as over hyped, at this point, as Toyotas.. and generally boring in all ways that count to me pertaining to DRIVING.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

fanboyism is a really nasty thing. I agree that the stories are getting a bit old.

just saying....

Just saying WHAT??? Not a damn thing but .

I preach the truth, and FANBOY or not... not one mofo on this planet can tell me that Hyundai builds a car any better than most Chryslers... And that's including the horrible Sebring:(