Electric Vehicles

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

RAM canceled their all electric truck, sighting lack of sales in that market. They will continue with the Hybrid version

The hybrid and the range extender. I realize that for many they are one and the same but they really are not.

This is an example of being late to the party can be a good thing. Ram was going to be last in the market with an EV truck, but by laying back they learned two key things…

1. Using the truck like a truck (instead of just daily transportation) kills the range.
2. Combining with a range extender can keep the battery in the sweet spot as far as state of charge and can set the truck up to outperform BEV trucks and even diesel trucks.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

RAM canceled their all electric truck, sighting lack of sales in that market. They will continue with the Hybrid version

I think they'll still produce one. I'd call it delayed until infrastructure catches up and battery tech improves. GM made a mistake by starting with trucks in pure BEV form.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The hybrid and the range extender. I realize that for many they are one and the same but they really are not.

This is an example of being late to the party can be a good thing. Ram was going to be last in the market with an EV truck, but by laying back they learned two key things…

1. Using the truck like a truck (instead of just daily transportation) kills the range.
2. Combining with a range extender can keep the battery in the sweet spot as far as state of charge and can set the truck up to outperform BEV trucks and even diesel trucks.

Originally Posted by snizzle

I think they'll still produce one. I'd call it delayed until infrastructure catches up and battery tech improves. GM made a mistake by starting with trucks in pure BEV form.

Fair enough. Funny thing though, they claim 690 range on it. My Hurricane HO will go near 700 to empty, and it is faster. Mine has less towing payload but if I needed more it would be a 2500 or 3500.

I was interested at first but the Hurricane is awesome

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by snizzle

I think they'll still produce one. I'd call it delayed until infrastructure catches up and battery tech improves. GM made a mistake by starting with trucks in pure BEV form.

The BEV is canceled. The Range Extended Electric Vehicle (REEV) is scheduled for launch Q2 2026.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/1500-rev.html

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The BEV is canceled. The Range Extended Electric Vehicle (REEV) is scheduled for launch Q2 2026.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/1500-rev.html

I get it, i'm saying I don't believe (the full BEV truck) is cancelled forever. It makes me wonder if GM is paying attention to what is happening with the Daytona BEV. You'd have to think that is having an impact on any potential Camaro EV that was in the works.

[Devstrike]

I personally don't see any new Camaro in the next five years maybe more. As far as Ram dropping the Electric truck it makes sense the US Auto Industry is in an interesting time period for exampe The 2026 Durango Hellcat and 6.4L Hemi will only be sold in states that don't follow California's emission standards while the 5.7L Version will sell in all states. The 2026 Ford Escape and its Lincoln variant also won't be available in some states as well. With Ram and Dodge pretty much announcing the return of the Hellcat in the SRT return short on youtube and other social media with the Hellcat engine sound I can see people getting really happy in a lot of states and unhappy in 17 for being left out since I dont see how a hellcat will be accepted in the California emission states. Dodge did say they are going to try to work to make the models available in the states that won't accept them but time will tell. I would not be surprised if we see a time period where if you buy out of state you need to make sure its Legal to have in your state.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

I personally don't see any new Camaro in the next five years maybe more. As far as Ram dropping the Electric truck it makes sense the US Auto Industry is in an interesting time period for exampe The 2026 Durango Hellcat and 6.4L Hemi will only be sold in states that don't follow California's emission standards while the 5.7L Version will sell in all states. The 2026 Ford Escape and its Lincoln variant also won't be available in some states as well.

Unless something changed recently I'm pretty sure 2025 is the last year for Escape. It's made at the plant that Ford is about to convert for building its low cost BEV pickup. I'll have to check and see if anything has changed there.

*** EDIT*** It will roll along until August 2026.

Originally Posted by Devstrike

With Ram and Dodge pretty much announcing the return of the Hellcat in the SRT return short on youtube and other social media with the Hellcat engine sound I can see people getting really happy in a lot of states and unhappy in 17 for being left out since I dont see how a hellcat will be accepted in the California emission states. Dodge did say they are going to try to work to make the models available in the states that won't accept them but time will tell. I would not be surprised if we see a time period where if you buy out of state you need to make sure it's Legal to have in your state.

I don't think this will be an issue. CARB's rule is for purchase of new vehicles. It does not impact vehicles already owned, even for people moving into the state with the vehicles they already owned. Any states that follow California's rules would have that same caveat. The California rule also does not extend to sales of used cars. So buying a new Hellcat in California in CARB states? It's fine until at least 2035 (if it's still around) but even after that, buying a used one is fair game.

[Devstrike]

[QUOTE=Martinjlm;11498833]Unless something changed recently I'm pretty sure 2025 is the last year for Escape. It's made at the plant that Ford is about to convert for building its low cost BEV pickup. I'll have to check and see if anything has changed there. [QUOTE=Martinjlm;11498833]


Ford has the 2026 Escape as an option for their site for me to see. I didn't know they were supposed to end or were going to end it in 2025.

[FarmerFran]

Fun facts...

RAM REV
24.5 mpg on 87 plus the cost of the charge for 690 miles of range.

RAM Longhorn 22 mpg on 93 for 700 miles of range. The lower trims use 87

[KMPrenger]

The defining difference is that for the majority of REV owners, 90+% of their driving will be on electric, using no gas at all. (except for maybe if the engine needs to kick on every now and then to keep things lubricated or whatever lol)

I love the idea of the REV, just like I think the old Volt was a great thing also...it just needed more range on the battery. The REV is rated to go 145 miles on battery only. More than enough for most people and their day to day driving. I would very much enjoy having a vehicle like that.

The downsides are of course, the very complex drivetrain, and the potential upfront cost versus an ICE only truck. ...and weight to some degree.

[snizzle]

It has me wondering what this rumored hybrid powertrain in the next gen GM full size trucks is going to be exactly? Are they going to use the Powerboost approach? Impressed nothing has leaked yet.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

The defining difference is that for the majority of REV owners, 90+% of their driving will be on electric, using no gas at all. (except for maybe if the engine needs to kick on every now and then to keep things lubricated or whatever lol)

I love the idea of the REV, just like I think the old Volt was a great thing also...it just needed more range on the battery. The REV is rated to go 145 miles on battery only. More than enough for most people and their day to day driving. I would very much enjoy having a vehicle like that.

The downsides are of course, the very complex drivetrain, and the potential upfront cost versus an ICE only truck. ...and weight to some degree.

Exactly. We've owned two Volts, a 2012 then a 2017. Mainly my wife's daily driver. I only got to drive it if we were going somewhere together and not taking one of my cars or if she needed me to put gas in it. I think I put gas in the 2017 on average twice a year. And that's with a 53 mile EV range. For the most part, the only times the engine came on was when it went into engine maintenance mode. That happens if the engine hasn't started for about 6 weeks. That and when the temperature dropped so low (below 20 degrees) that it ran the engine to improve cabin heat. Even then it wouldn't run too long.

The complexity of the powertrain is no joke, but a more typical PHEV has an even more complex drivetrain.

[Junction65]

The deadline for the federal electric vehicle (EV) tax credit was today, September 30, 2025.

Now that this has ended, both GM and Ford Financial have decided to step in and continue the program. Odd they couldn't have done that to begin with...

https://electrek.co/2025/09/30/ford-...past-deadline/

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Junction65

The deadline for the federal electric vehicle (EV) tax credit was today, September 30, 2025.

Now that this has ended, both GM and Ford Financial have decided to step in and continue the program. Odd they couldn't have done that to begin with...

https://electrek.co/2025/09/30/ford-...past-deadline/

Why when they can take our tax dollars