2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Diminishing returns.

Add 100 HP to a 14 second car, and add 100 hp to a 10 second car. Your return won't be as good of an investment on the faster car.

Diminishing returns, my foot.

it's 24+ freakin' %!

In the real world of racing, these two are separated by at least 10 zip codes!

[72MachOne99GT]

And it's still diminishing returns.

If there was a 24% power/weight ratio difference on a pair of 8 and 9 second cars, they'd be even CLOSER.

The answer is staring you in the face, you can look away if you wish.

[devildog1679]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Diminishing returns, my foot.

it's 24+ freakin' %!

In the real world of racing, these two are separated by at least 10 zip codes!

More excuses, damn just give it up guys. The fact is the ZL1 has other things that the GT500 does not have that should negate the extra HP. Two things that come to mind that your own people say are IRS, and magic magnets in the suspension. So stop making excuses, if the ZL1 wins I won't be claiming the des parity in suspension. Or maybe I should.

[camaro-dreamer]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

With a 24% power-to-weight advantage for the GT500, it's very surprizing the two are that close.

THAT is the difference between a V6 Mustang (3446/305 hp) and a 1SS Camaro (3860/426 hp).

THE VERY SAME!

How do THOSE TWO compare?

The power required to overcome aerodynamic drag scales with the velocity cubed.

[eolson]

I think it's pretty clear that at this level, the ZL1 has been brought to a sophisticated level of performance with IRS, Magnetic ride control, great traction control, and over all balance.....on paper, the ZL1 should clearly win at the road courses.

.....but it looks like now that the info is in, other than how people "feel" about driving the cars, the GT500 is equal in actual performance. Hopefully someone will jimmy rig some brake ducting on the GT500 and run a published Nurburgring time to shut everyone up. Until then, as said before, this 57%/43% weight distribution, Fixed axel, basic traction control(not used) crude, over powered shit box can put the power down and stick it out of corners just fine.

The issues to be improved would be slightly better corner G's (less weight in front) and brake ducting or cooling (no brainer). Great Job after all SVT!!! Erik

[Stew]

Well, this thread seems to have gotten pretty quiet.......

[A-little-perspective]

Originally Posted by Stew

Well, this thread seems to have gotten pretty quiet.......

Check the other thread in the "ZL1" section. Since the ZL1 was claimed the winner that thread doesn't get relegated to "General Automotive/Other Cars" section.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by A-little-perspective

Check the other thread in the "ZL1" section. Since the ZL1 was claimed the winner that thread doesn't get relegated to "General Automotive/Other Cars" section.

ahhhhhh ok

[Doubleblank]

Originally Posted by Doubleblank

A true "track car" should be able to run lots of laps at fast times. Drag racing is essentially a one-and-done race. I haven't ever been to a one lap road race.

I've owned a race team for the last three years running both Camaro SS's and Boss302R's in Grand Am and World Challenge. We've had all types of professional and amateur drivers behind the wheel in races, practice and testing (including Davie Jones in 2010). I've seen many a good driver go out and get a great time in qualifying ......call it a hero lap..... but come in with the tires wasted so that he isn't competitive during the race (you have to start on the tires you qualify with) or they ran the car so close to or over the edge that the lap isn't safely repeatable.

So before I'm ready to declare either car the "victor" at a road course.......I need to see how each performs over at least 30 minutes of track time....and what do the tires/brakes/etc look like afterwards.

I'm not here to promote/denegrate either car. I like them both. I'm just glad at least one mag ran off a few laps to see how they might do in a day of HPD rather than simply post a hero lap.

[Blue Menace]

Originally Posted by A-little-perspective

Check the other thread in the "ZL1" section. Since the ZL1 was claimed the winner that thread doesn't get relegated to "General Automotive/Other Cars" section.

Soooo true!

[eolson]

The issue with a hero lap is break ducting or cooling and better materials which should be addressed by SVT, that doesn't mean you can write off the entire design of the GT500 as a one lapper. The breaks work well, but the cooling isn't.

That's like saying GM can't put more power down with the ZL1 with a shorter pulley and some internal reinforcement. Of course they can, and will I think.

So clearly the ZL1 is more sophisticated, but the GT500 is plenty able to over come the break fade element, and individuals are addressing it already making consistent laps with little break fade. Erik

[Bob Cosby]

Sorry...but I have just have to, as I've seen it too many times today...

It is "brake"....not "break".

No offense intended.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Doubleblank

I haven't ever been to a one lap road race.

I take it you don't care about ring times.

[C5RocksC5]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Sorry...but I have just have to, as I've seen it too many times today...

It is "brake"....not "break".

No offense intended.

give him a brake.