2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I don't understand why they aren't surprised by the 1/4 times the zl1 put down. A 12.4 is not impressive. Sorry if anyone disagrees, but it's not. If you're not into drag racing it shouldn't matter to you, but to call a 12.4 from the zl1 an impressive ET just seems bogus.

I respect your opinion, but just curious......

How many stock car's under $60K do you think can run better than mid 12's from the factory ?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

I respect your opinion, but just curious......

How many stock car's under $60K do you think can run better than mid 12's from the factory ?

What cars are in this category that can't run mid 12s? Most 60k cars don't run 13s either, they're road-driven boats or SUVs.

I know the zl1 is capable of more impressive times, that's not what I'm saying. The time they ran, a 12.4, is simply not impressive in my opinion and I think most others would agree. If I took a zl1 to the track and ran a best of 12.4@114 I would be sorely disappointed.

[eolson]

LOWDOWN, those are some depressing facts.

I said it way back in the fall, for my tastes, as I mentioned above, I wish they would have strengthened the 5.4 to handle 12 lbs boost, did the breaks, did the aerodynamics, but put the main r&d and project money into solving the Monocoque problem with a rear seat cross brace, Watts Link, and real weight loss up front.

Maybe next time. I am very excited that there is coming soon an adaptive X brace in the after market, as well as a watts link for the GT500.

Then aluminium flywheel, lighter headers, Lighter tubular K-member/A-arms, lighter radiator support, re-locate battery to rear, you'd save 114lbs off the front right there.

That will put you at a 55% front/45%rear weight ratio, so still some weight would have to be designed out of the front. I'll wait till 2015 and pray for power/handling balance. Erik

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

I respect your opinion, but just curious......

How many stock car's under $60K do you think can run better than mid 12's from the factory ?

The 2011+ Mustang 5.0.

[LOWDOWN]

For all those NOT convinced the Camaro chassis/suspension/tire system is UNDOUBTEDLY superior, consider this:

If the Camaro weighed 250 lb. less, then how bad would it whoop the 500 on a road course?

If the Camaro had 662 hp, then how bad would it whoop the 500 on a road course?

If the Camaro ZL1 had a 5.77 lb/hp weight-to-power ratio (24% better than it has), would there be need for ANY further meritorious discussion?

Pro Tour (ZL1) vs. Pro Street (500)

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

If I took a zl1 to the track and ran a best of 12.4@114 I would be sorely disappointed.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by cobrakon

I really hate the zl1. It's such an ugly car.

Originally Posted by cobrakon

the money that chevy spent to get good reviews for the zl1 seems to have paid off.

Oooo such hatred

[Blue Menace]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

For all those NOT convinced the Camaro chassis/suspension/tire system is UNDOUBTEDLY superior, consider this:

If the Camaro weighed 250 lb. less, then how bad would it whoop the 500 on a road course?

If the Camaro had 662 hp, then how bad would it whoop the 500 on a road course?

If the Camaro ZL1 had a 5.77 lb/hp weight-to-power ratio (24% better than it has), would there be need for ANY further meritorious discussion?

Pro Tour (ZL1) vs. Pro Street (500)

Ya see, this is when it's time to step away from the computer. "What if's" hold NO power and are complete wastes for reasoned argument.

[pouncer72]

If the Camaro weighed 250 lb. less - It doesnt

If the Camaro had 662 hp - It doesnt

If the Camaro ZL1 had a 5.77 lb/hp weight-to-power ratio (24% better than it has) - IT doesnt




Reality check

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by pouncer72

If the Camaro weighed 250 lb. less - It doesnt

If the Camaro had 662 hp - It doesnt

If the Camaro ZL1 had a 5.77 lb/hp weight-to-power ratio (24% better than it has) - IT doesnt




Reality check

Human's have been arguing in hypotheticals for years..... You can't change stupid or another persons perception of what is stupid, the above, hypothetical I mind you, statement is beyond slow. What if that GT500 had IRS what would happen then? Like it even matters....

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

For all those NOT convinced the Camaro chassis/suspension/tire system is UNDOUBTEDLY superior, consider this:

If the Camaro weighed 250 lb. less, then how bad would it whoop the 500 on a road course?

If the Camaro had 662 hp, then how bad would it whoop the 500 on a road course?

If the Camaro ZL1 had a 5.77 lb/hp weight-to-power ratio (24% better than it has), would there be need for ANY further meritorious discussion?

Pro Tour (ZL1) vs. Pro Street (500)

if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle

[eolson]

We'll see what the comparison's are in R&D, C&R, and MT.

As mentioned way above, let's see with the big 3 mags what the averages of the real math are about figure 8 G's, slalom mph, and multiple track runs and times on rad courses.

I did see a black brand new GT500 pulling out of blockbuster today, and even though my car is at 3545 lbs or so right now, with a lot of chassis stiffening and suspension compliance, I did realize that the GT500 did have 662HP, huge brakes, and aerodynamics and power allowing a 200mph top speed. Ridiculous! Erik

[tt335ci03cobra]

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...ison-test.html

Gt500 won on willow....

But lost on drivability. Raw is out, computers are in.... Yah? Depends on your idea of fun I guess. Props nonetheless, great work and tech leads to easy handling. I was most disappointed when I read that the tcs settings allowed the drivers in the camaro to simply mash the gas like an on off switch from the apex out...um, am I the only one that enjoys driving my car? I haven't had tcs/stability control in my cobra since I had it disabled in 2005 to stop destroying differentials... having to drive my car has always been a big part of why I prefer that to just playing Forza. That visceral raw, oh sht feeling of adrenalin is why I like muscle cars. I could well be nuts and probably am suicidal in that way but hey, it keeps my attention and is very fun.

I'm a bit soar that muscle cars are becoming sports cars but I guess that's my beef. I didn't build an e92 m3 because I didn't want that much isolation and technology. I built another v8 coupe with an IRS because I like raw, skill oriented excitement with high grip/limits that's not a cake walk to drive. That and of course reasonable price/mod ability, which has always been the backbone of muscle. I guess the days of muscle cars are officially dead once the new mustang comes out. Sra's and/or simple high power chassis like the 03 cobra's basic irs architecture are out, tech and sports car bits are in. The new american sports cars will be labeled "muscle cars" in name and concept but not in a fundamental way.

As a hurrah to the last true muscle car, its crazy inpressive that it can keep up with or out pace a serious track star sports car like the zl1 with the simple raw formula of brute force, a solid axel, and no electronic assists on. It is quite the accomplishment for a mid 11 second, 200mph straight line brutish muscle car. It has just enough handling and grip to make it about or just a bit faster than serious track stars. It is way up on hp but the compromises it has definitely don't really leave the ball in the gt500's court when on a road course; it takes skill and experience to tame the car, and you're pretty much at its mercy if you lack those aspects.

In the end, it's a great ending to a megalithic history (muscle cars) and I'm proud to say a shelby gt500 stood as the final true American muscle car. It's honorable for Carrol Shelby and befitting as the originals were pretty good in there own right.

[a_Username]

I'm guessing they used this configuration? The result is still surprising me; it seems the power/weight advantage of the Shelby is too much to overcome on even some technical tracks. However, I wish they would have tried the ZL1 with all the computers off.