GM Reveals 2014 Chevrolet SS

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by STOCK1SC

I made 3 posts regarding obvious fan boy postings by people who didn't even own Dodge vehicles but heard from a friend they were bad. If people want to post about the ills of Dodge I had first hand experiences with Dodge and Chevy, post count shouldn't matter. I've been on LS1.com since 2001 and Camaro Z28 for almost as long, what's your point? Owned a 1988 Camaro, 2002 Camaro, 2009 Cobalt SS, what's your point?

Like I said you have been on here 3 years with no posts and then pow all this crap. That's my point...I see no comments about my ownership of Chrysler products. First hand experience here. There is a reason Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge continually score near the bottom of reliability ratings... If you can't believe facts then who's the fanboy?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Like I said you have been on here 3 years with no posts and then pow all this crap. That's my point...I see no comments about my ownership of Chrysler products. First hand experience here. There is a reason Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge continually score near the bottom of reliability ratings... If you can't believe facts then who's the fanboy?

You are both posting 2 sides of the same coin, you can hardly fault him for doing the same thing you did and you can't be mad because his results were different that yours. my Chrysler products have also been more dependable than my GM products, same for my brother who is so fed up with his CTS he is ready to get rid of it after less than a year and a half.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Stew

You are both posting 2 sides of the same coin, you can hardly fault him for doing the same thing you did and you can't be mad because his results were different that yours. my Chrysler products have also been more dependable than my GM products, same for my brother who is so fed up with his CTS he is ready to get rid of it after less than a year and a half.

Well if we just want to go by people we know and what we have experienced then yeah I will agree we are arguing both sides of a coin. But when you throw actual reliability statistic into the mix the story changes.
I give credit where credit is due, such as this.... The newest Chrysler and Dodge products that have come out in the last couple years are the best they have ever built. Be it as it may, Chrysler does have a very bad reputation for reliability. And earlier GM models were not much better. But they were better overall, at least that's what the statistics show.

I feel that post counts do earn you a certain reputation, you can have just a few that bash all the time and you could get a negative label. I don't label people that way but I will call them out if they have been one sided in most or all their posts. Now that being said I know you won't go through all 10,000+ of my posts, but on numerous occasions I have praised and even defended other manufacturers cars when I felt they were being treated unfairly. Just as I will with my own brand preference...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Well if we just want to go by people we know and what we have experienced then yeah I will agree we are arguing both sides of a coin. But when you throw actual reliability statistic into the mix the story changes.
I give credit where credit is due, such as this.... The newest Chrysler and Dodge products that have come out in the last couple years are the best they have ever built. Be it as it may, Chrysler does have a very bad reputation for reliability. And earlier GM models were not much better. But they were better overall, at least that's what the statistics show.

I feel that post counts do earn you a certain reputation, you can have just a few that bash all the time and you could get a negative label. I don't label people that way but I will call them out if they have been one sided in most or all their posts. Now that being said I know you won't go through all 10,000+ of my posts, but on numerous occasions I have praised and even defended other manufacturers cars when I felt they were being treated unfairly. Just as I will with my own brand preference...

Problem with those statistics are that are vastly skewed. Totota gets an autopass, cars get knocked off on RELIAILITY because people cant learn to use the features (FYI, this is not a reliability issue, just like the battery being under the washer fluid resivoir on my Lumina, that is a huge annoyance, but not a reliability issue, though places like CR or JD Powers may see it as such). We can see it differently, but the cold fact is and always has been GM and Mopar are pretty similar in reliability, we can say is better, but for each bad experience I you have with one or another, someone else has the opposite experience.

That said, as far as preference we are all going to purchase and recommend based on our experiences and yes based on family and friends experiences.

[King Sun]

yeah although the charger looks way better than the SS we cannot turn a blind eye to the past reliability stats of Chrysler products. But I heard with the 11 models and up are way better

[Stew]

Originally Posted by King Sun

yeah although the charger looks way better than the SS we cannot turn a blind eye to the past reliability stats of Chrysler products. But I heard with the 11 models and up are way better

Yet you CAN turn a blind eye to Chevy's past reliability problems?

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by Stew

Yet you CAN turn a blind eye to Chevy's past reliability problems?

Nope im just saying its well documented and known dodge has been having reliability problems even til today. The only difference is that gm started working on the reliability issues earlier than Chrysler (07 and up) vs (11 and up). Btw im talking about people general views and problems with Chrysler are still lingering

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Stew

Problem with those statistics are that are vastly skewed. Totota gets an autopass, cars get knocked off on RELIAILITY because people cant learn to use the features (FYI, this is not a reliability issue, just like the battery being under the washer fluid resivoir on my Lumina, that is a huge annoyance, but not a reliability issue, though places like CR or JD Powers may see it as such). We can see it differently, but the cold fact is and always has been GM and Mopar are pretty similar in reliability, we can say is better, but for each bad experience I you have with one or another, someone else has the opposite experience.

It's not how they see it as a reliability issue its how the owners report it. To one person a knob that comes off the radio is not a reliability issue, but for the next owner they may consider it an issue. I know some Toyota owners that overlook the some issues they have had with their car while saying another brand is junk for having the same issue. I have had Toyota rental cars with parts falling off before, and sounded like a tin can when closing the door, but they are the most reliable. To tell the truth I see more foreign cars abandoned on the side of the road and being hauled on rollbacks now than I do American brands...

Really if Dodge made a Challenger Convertible and there was no Camaro, I would choose it over a mustang any day... Has nothing to do with reliability, I just like the Challenger better.

[shaffe]

I agree, I personally don't care for chryslers and they do have a "known rep" for bad quality.

Yet, a good friend of mine had a 04 Dakota that ran like a champ, another friend has a Ram 3500 that runs like a champ, but my wife's Neon is a POS. rattles, squeaks, leaks, And I know people with just about every make and model that have had their share of issues.

Yes Chrysler has gotten better, but they have a long way to come to replace bad rep with good rep.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by King Sun

Nope im just saying its well documented and known dodge has been having reliability problems even til today. The only difference is that gm started working on the reliability issues earlier than Chrysler (07 and up) vs (11 and up). Btw im talking about people general views and problems with Chrysler are still lingering

I am not seeing that though, I see the same negativity for both still today, and I will admit a lot is deserved, but on both sides. GMs old 4 speed automatics were horrible, just horrible (Chrysler had it's issues here too). We have had trouble with transmissions in all of the last 3 GM cars we have had and lets be honest, you only have to take one trip around this site to see that GM still has a lot to work on the reliability front.............

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

It's not how they see it as a reliability issue its how the owners report it. To one person a knob that comes off the radio is not a reliability issue, but for the next owner they may consider it an issue. I know some Toyota owners that overlook the some issues they have had with their car while saying another brand is junk for having the same issue. I have had Toyota rental cars with parts falling off before, and sounded like a tin can when closing the door, but they are the most reliable. To tell the truth I see more foreign cars abandoned on the side of the road and being hauled on rollbacks now than I do American brands...

Really if Dodge made a Challenger Convertible and there was no Camaro, I would choose it over a mustang any day... Has nothing to do with reliability, I just like the Challenger better.

I agree, i remember sitting in a Toyota for the first time after them being so talked up and I think seeing and feeling the cheap interior was one of the most disaponting days in my automotive life and one of the most gratifying too lol. I am actually getting rid of my Jeep, only because of some times, and actually just bought a 92 Lumina so I didn't have a payment. it's not perfect, but at 266k miles it is still solid and runs like a champ (though i am sure the engine and or transmission has been overhauled at some point)same with the Dakota with over 200k miles. I drive that car everyday an hour 1 way. , same with the Dakota with over 200k miles. I will admit I origionally was looking for a Toyota or Honda, but everyone had blown motors, blown transmissions, etc, etc and still wanted ridiculous amounts for them.

We are way too far off topic haha.

[TheClassicCarKid]

Nice car, horrible name though.

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by Stew

I am not seeing that though, I see the same negativity for both still today, and I will admit a lot is deserved, but on both sides. GMs old 4 speed automatics were horrible, just horrible (Chrysler had it's issues here too). We have had trouble with transmissions in all of the last 3 GM cars we have had and lets be honest, you only have to take one trip around this site to see that GM still has a lot to work on the reliability front.............

gm cars have been winning reliability awards for cars since 09. I don't think the same can be said for Chrysler cars

[Silverlsinva]

I think we need to get back to the Point of discussing the SS and not whose cars are more reliable or not. I think they SS will be what GM hopes it to be A Low Volume performance sedan that is somewhat affordable with alot of standard features and few options. They arent out to compete with the charger or 300 or tauras or any other car cause those cars are high volume many different models and options so please lets stop the comparisons its really pointless to argue about it.