2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[97SS]

Originally Posted by eolson

I think the difference is that it seems the ZL1 owners think it is important for the cat to be easy and comfortable because they want everything all in that one car as a daily driver.

The only reason I'd buy the GT500, or have my current MUstang Gt, is to be the other car that I loved pounding hard and had fun in, then I'd drive my every day vehicle to carry stuff around, and pretend to be a boring agreeable citizen. Erik

You guys make it sound like the GT500, is like driving John Forces funny car. The car gets better MPG, then its previous years, re-engineered suspension, gearing, clutch and shifter. I am sure this car, and the ZL1, can be driven by your typical Honda owner.

P.S - Just curious. Where are all the guys that said "No matter what, the ZL1 will eat the GT500 up - regardless of its power increase ". You must really feel STUPID, now.

Reason why I keep my shut, until the results are in.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by 97SS

The ZL1 costs are in the 17-18k range, to go 9's, on top of your 56k. If you're on a budget for performance, go buy a stock GSXR and run 10's for just over 10 grand ( thats including a helmet ). Outside of that. There is no "right" car. This is a never ending subject.

I dont see how a bike is relavent. My response was to shank0668. I also think my response was pretty true unless someone can correct me. If someone can think of a brand new CAR that runs just as fast for the money I would like to know about it.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by 97SS

P.S - Just curious. Where are all the guys that said "No matter what, the ZL1 will eat the GT500 up - regardless of its power increase ". You must really feel STUPID, now.

Reason why I keep my shut, until the results are in.

Guess you'll have to throw out some names because you're the one looking pretty stupid right now...

I don't recall anyone ever saying that after the power increase statement...

Originally Posted by 97SS

The ZL1 costs are in the 17-18k range, to go 9's, on top of your 56k. If you're on a budget for performance, go buy a stock GSXR and run 10's for just over 10 grand ( thats including a helmet ). Outside of that. There is no "right" car. This is a never ending subject.

...and I love the way all the Ford guys keep quoting this one... just because one of the most expensive builders out there spent this much money doesn't mean it's going to cost that to go 9's

[Fenderaddict2]

"smooth in, fast out" is true and probably does give the track advantage to the ZL1. I had my arse handed to me by a pro racing driver in a civic. She hung on my back side all the way through corners 1 to 5 so well I gave her the pass on the back straight. Never saw her again. And me and the Boss Mustang were humbled by real talent.

[cbass]

I am not hating on the GT500 though.

Did you see me hating on the GT500?

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by cbass

Did you see me hating on the GT500?

No I wasn't making any reference to you at all. Why is everyone so defensive in here? To me it almost sounded like you liked the GT500

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Out of all the brand new cars for the price what would you want? I honestly can't think of one that does as well for the money. Plus they both can be made to run really well modded. I honestly can't think of a brand new car that does better. Both cars have run 9's with not that much done or that much money spent. Between the price of a new SS or GT plus everything you would have to do to it to run 9's would be over what a GT500 or ZL1 cost with mods to run 9's. Excluding nitrous, gutting, or stuff that makes it non streetable. If you can think of a new car that can do it for less than i'm all ears.

Nothing brand new. It would be absolutely pointless to buy a new car for drag racing. If I really wanted a good car for the money.. I'd have a used Z06.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by shank0668

No I wasn't making any reference to you at all. Why is everyone so defensive in here? To me it almost sounded like you liked the GT500

I did.

Not defensive.

I was curious if you were just quoting me, but replying to the general bashers.

If you mixed me up with one of the bashers.

Or......???

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by cbass

I did.

Not defensive.

I was curious if you were just quoting me, but replying to the general bashers.

If you mixed me up with one of the bashers.

Or......???

The quote was probably unnecessary. My post could have been taken as hating toward the '500, so I made a follow up to keep the Mustang folks from not getting all over my case. No problems at all here

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

"smooth in, fast out" is true and probably does give the track advantage to the ZL1. I had my arse handed to me by a pro racing driver in a civic. She hung on my back side all the way through corners 1 to 5 so well I gave her the pass on the back straight. Never saw her again. And me and the Boss Mustang were humbled by real talent.

One thing I like about the road course or auto x... is completing against yourself. Just keep improving w/ practice. Set a best time / average lap time and go for it.

[eolson]

It will be great to see more direct cone test comparisons for the two cars, and also see some actual track road course times at some courses that have well established best lap time histories for various cars. Those lap times will make it pretty clear what the new GT500 can do, as well as the ZL1.

Why we are getting these subjective opinions from the press rather than actual road course times is beyond me. The GT500 has been out for a bit. I know print publication times need to wait the month for their press runs, but not one official track time on an established road course is pretty lame. Erik

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by eolson

It will be great to see more direct cone test comparisons for the two cars, and also see some actual track road course times at some courses that have well established best lap time histories for various cars. Those lap times will make it pretty clear what the new GT500 can do, as well as the ZL1.

Why we are getting these subjective opinions from the press rather than actual road course times is beyond me. The GT500 has been out for a bit. I know print publication times need to wait the month for their press runs, but not one official track time on an established road course is pretty lame. Erik

You raise some very valid points...

The mags need the Manufacturers...and the Manufacturers need the mags.

Where would the mags, and their minions, be without their fleets of "long-term test vehicles"?

In showrooms, actually buying vehicles...and spending money...instead of creating used cars out of new ones.

As to "times", a goodly amount of time was spent "hosting" the journos @ Atlanta. Rubber burned...hydrocarbons expended...1/4-mile times shared...but NO ROAD ATLANTA times were released...by ANYONE...

hmmmmm...

Remember, "the only bad publicity is NO publicity".

Draw your own conclusion(s).

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by mlee

One thing I like about the road course or auto x... is completing against yourself. Just keep improving w/ practice. Set a best time / average lap time and go for it.

Racing is just like golf...practice-practice-practice...play a round (or around)...what's the score?

I watched an old episode of Top Gear last night. Richard Hammond was beat by 4 SECONDS on a less-than-1-minute course by the "resident expert" who was the Factory driver for that car on that course.

Practice-practice-practice...

[eolson]

Being a person that had to build the performance into my October of 2005 delivery of my 06' Mustang GT, because there was no other fantastic high performance sport coupes around. Corvette was beautiful but only had two seats, and the Pontiac GTO which was being phased out, and the Dodge Charger SRT models were really not very agile.

I'm proud of the fact I fit my car out with much more power, and a lot better suspension with good chassis stiffening, better breaks. Car was a blast to drive all fit out.

Problem is, all the magazines do is hype factory cars, which they must do, but there is rarely road course track times or slalom times, or figure eight lateral G ratings, for popular cars that have been fit out with better equipment. Why hasn't Steeda, put all there stuff plus some other stuff on a Mustang and said "here's what a car does fit out properly with our stuff"

With the new cars being fit out so well with their track pack options, and all this new technology, it's hard to remember you can actually improve a car's handling a good deal for not that much money. The problem is there is no equivalent after market testing to actually convey recorded improvements.

Most of the suspension improvements on the New Mustangs came from aftermarket deigns with technology sharing that proved to increase performance.

To end my rant, I'm just tired of seeing the same 5 magazines control information on performance as if what happens on giant release factory cars is the only thing to test and verify better performance. Which is bull. The magazines should at least invite to testing a few independents, who could demonstrate real gains through improved items This happens with Horse Power and in Drag racing, but how often do you see a car with a changed out suspension, weight loss, and chassis stiffening compared to the factory model. Ever?

So we'll wait some more before all 5 magazines and all the car companies decide on how they agree to spin these cars and there comparisons and results, and then pretend that they just grabbed some drivers and went out and tested the hell out of these cars.

So now we'll see the same boring pattern for the comparison between the ZL1 and the GT500. They've all rehearsed their lines, and we'll hear" GT500 has more muscle, is more crude, harder to drive, don't like the interior, can't corner as good, isn't as refined" blah blah blah, and the ZL1 is slower in the 1/4, but it drives way smoother, it corners way better, it has a Rolls Royce interior, the PTA will like it better".

How about the truth" we didn't bother actually driving the GT500 through the road atlanta course for a time, or dare take the car to another road course and actually drive it to it's max against the record time for that course".

Now we'll wait until the media has rehearsed how we should think of these cars. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z z z z z z z z z z z z z. Erik