Time for everyone to help GM!

[playhard67]

done. send an email to all your friends, family etc with the link above and the article by Peter.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by fad1

I say we do all our part and tell our friends. If GM does get bailed out, then we as the American people I think should decide how the company should be run. I have never bought an American Car, the Camaro will be my first, and every time after I will buy American.

There are always two sides to every issue, and I do respect all of you signing this petition and understand the reasons why. We all live in the greatest country in the world with amazing people and I do feel the Government should intervene in certain ways that I will describe below.

This is the main problem. We as the people will never decide how the company would be run if the Government is in total control even though I wish it were that way. What the government should do is take over the health insurance for the retired employee's as they will be the most affected by this as well as the warranty's of existing vehicles. GM is too big a brand to die out completely and has many assets including a large workforce, factories, and technology that are still useful. Unfortunately I don't know what would be the best choices for the company even if the Government did bail them out, however I can only imagine what an Obama white house would do with such a large growth in Government run private organizations. Taxes would go up to not only fund the car industry and it retiree's but go up to run "universal healthcare' which is just down the road and many other wealth re-distribution programs.

My opinion is that the US Government is getting too close to being 100% socialistic and all these bailouts are simply the first steps to achieving that goal. Freddie Mac and Fannie May were giving out huge amounts of money to Senator's for their support and support they did receive for many years. The Government did get them into the financial mess they were in by forcing them to give out loans they would never have so I agree the Government should have fixed the situation. However at a great cost since now we are all paying for its mistakes and we voted into office the people that caused those mistakes to occur. I do pray for this country and for all those who's jobs are on the line and healthcare plans on the line. I want to see GM pull thru this and filing for bankruptcy may be the only way without Government money this could happen.

If the Government does bail out GM, then I do hope we the people do get to decide what's best for the company and not some bureaucrats with an agenda of global warming carbon credits. And I'll say again, I want to see the Government pay back all the hard work GM employees accomplished during "war contracts" and everything else by keeping existing health benefits intact for retirees and those yet to have retired that are ten years away or less. All the people directly affected by a bankruptcy that currently work for the company and those retired should be helped by Government money as they deserve our help. Again, I pray the right choices are made and GM survives this whichever way possible. If it is by Government bailout, I do pray that fad is correct and that we the people get to decide how we want things run and not a certain group of government with an ideology that has helped cause these problems.

[babyjulie83]

done

[dvnt88]

Originally Posted by 2KZ28_For_Now

"We are facing a perfect storm of events that could spell disaster if we as a nation don’t act and act fast. "

Agreed.

And - Done.

We, as a Nation, are on the verge of losing something that cannot be given a value. That's HERITAGE. GM is -- like it or not a HUGE part of our history and heritage.

It/they MUST be sustained.

<off soapbox>

+2. ")

[Big_Country]

Just sent mine out.

[Moose]

I can remember going to the local Chevrolet dealer, with my Grandfather, then my Dad, and spending an entire Saturday looking at the new Chevy's, and then the "haggling" back and forth until an agreement was made for purchase.

I still go to the same dealer to look at the cars, and relive some great memories. I DON'T want to see it closed and turned into another shopping mall. :(

I hope, when the timing is right, to go through that same, fun, process of buying a new Chevrolet (Camaro), and someday taking my son (when I have one) to buy his first Chevy.

SO c'mon people! I see ALOT of "views", but a lot less responses. :( I hope everyone who reads this will please follow the link and make their voices heard.

I don't want to show my kids someday what a Chevrolet dealership was, only in pictures. And I want for them to be able to buy a new Chevrolet someday.

SO please, follow the link and do your part.

(Off of my soapbox )

[rlg3]

I'm going to give you a little straight talk. GM has not done what it has needed to do over the past 20 plus years to remain competitive in the "free market". It has asked and gotten government support over the years and it is asking for it again.

It has to be willingly to turn over some control to the government in its future direction. If you get 50 billion from the taxpayers the taxpayers get some say in that companies future direction thru its elected officials. GM and others cannot be trusted that this time the will get it right. I don't mean this as any disrespect to any of the fine GM employees who are on this site or not on this site. It's just a fact the Big Three have not been able to make money on a regular basis.
When the government invest 50 billion they become the new "stockholders" and should have a major say in the direction of the company including its leadership at the top.

We must all realize that the production of the 2010 Camaro is in jeopardy. Despite what anybody tells us just look at the facts on the ground. GM out of cash early next year, maybe even sooner. The car market is down not just for GM but across the board. The people at GM we rely on for information have watched many of the co-workers lose their jobs, and they wonder if their job is next. It is clear nothing is for certain at GM. I'm not saying that the Camaro won't get built (I have one on order), but I am saying that it could be in jeopardy, and anybody who tells you 100% that it will roll off the line in Feb/Mar, is doing some wishful thinking.
Until the GM or the government solves GM's cash crisis everything is up in the air.

See link for what Obama wants to do, I think its a good idea and that we should all get behind it
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20...g/ablcucxr33jw

[RB43TD]

done

[gac458]

I hope everyone passes Moose's post along to their friends and families because he is dead on with what will happen if we "The People" allow our home grown industries to fail. We have an obligation to our children, our communities and ourselves to leave this a better place that we inherited. Anyone who does not believe in those principles doesn't understand why America is and will continue to be the greatest country on earth. We need to fight to keep our our auto industry alive and well in the USA. Call your leaders in the Senate and Congress, contact your state representatives and Raise Some HEll to have them fight for GM , Ford & Chysler! Our government is responsible for legislating us into this economic crisis and put the Big 3 in this position, let them be the ones who help us to a better tomorrow by helping the auto industry in their time of need!

[radz28]

Done

[Mr. Wyndham]

Done, very good thread, AND article, Moose.

Originally Posted by rlg3

I'm going to give you a little straight talk. GM has not done what it has needed to do over the past 20 plus years to remain competitive in the "free market". It has asked and gotten government support over the years and it is asking for it again.
I'm young, and I know it...but when in history did GM get gov't aid, before? And I'd be willing to propose that out governments TRADE policies were the #1 reason GM can't be competitive on their home turf...

It has to be willingly to turn over some control to the government in its future direction. If you get 50 billion from the taxpayers the taxpayers get some say in that companies future direction thru its elected officials. GM and others cannot be trusted that this time the will get it right. I don't mean this as any disrespect to any of the fine GM employees who are on this site or not on this site. It's just a fact the Big Three have not been able to make money on a regular basis.
Again, I think that's thanks to our 'friends' in washington who don't know a darn thing about the auto business...WE will not get control of anything -- our 'leaders' will; and they don't know diddly.:(

We must all realize that the production of the 2010 Camaro is in jeopardy. Despite what anybody tells us just look at the facts on the ground. GM out of cash early next year, maybe even sooner. The car market is down not just for GM but across the board. The people at GM we rely on for information have watched many of the co-workers lose their jobs, and they wonder if their job is next. It is clear nothing is for certain at GM. I'm not saying that the Camaro won't get built (I have one on order), but I am saying that it could be in jeopardy, and anybody who tells you 100% that it will roll off the line in Feb/Mar, is doing some wishful thinking.
They're not dead, for goodness sakes...they're just in serious trouble. The Camaro cannot be stopped. To do so would be to throw hundreds of millions of $$ down the drain willingly. They need to at least recoupe their investment in the car...before that happens; it won't get cancelled. And if it sells well enough to make them money...it's going to stay around. That's not wishful thinking...it's just plain logic.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by rlg3

I'm going to give you a little straight talk. GM has not done what it has needed to do over the past 20 plus years to remain competitive in the "free market". It has asked and gotten government support over the years and it is asking for it again.

It has to be willingly to turn over some control to the government in its future direction. If you get 50 billion from the taxpayers the taxpayers get some say in that companies future direction thru its elected officials. GM and others cannot be trusted that this time the will get it right. I don't mean this as any disrespect to any of the fine GM employees who are on this site or not on this site. It's just a fact the Big Three have not been able to make money on a regular basis.
When the government invest 50 billion they become the new "stockholders" and should have a major say in the direction of the company including its leadership at the top.

We must all realize that the production of the 2010 Camaro is in jeopardy. Despite what anybody tells us just look at the facts on the ground. GM out of cash early next year, maybe even sooner. The car market is down not just for GM but across the board. The people at GM we rely on for information have watched many of the co-workers lose their jobs, and they wonder if their job is next. It is clear nothing is for certain at GM. I'm not saying that the Camaro won't get built (I have one on order), but I am saying that it could be in jeopardy, and anybody who tells you 100% that it will roll off the line in Feb/Mar, is doing some wishful thinking.
Until the GM or the government solves GM's cash crisis everything is up in the air.

See link for what Obama wants to do, I think its a good idea and that we should all get behind it
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20...g/ablcucxr33jw

The government is the problem with the domestic companies. Companies in this country survive despite the government, not by allowing the government to run them. Look at the competitive advantage the Japanese have over our own companies, America is killing itself with absurd worker protections. Pretty soon there will be no industry left, and that will be accelerated if the government tells GM what kind of car to make. They already tried that in the USSR and it did'nt work out too well.

[The_Blur]

I just did it. I've already been in touch. Political scientists, by definition, are a little more active politically than the average civilian.

[rlg3]

Chrysler was bailed out in 1979, and GM was given money as recent as September. You can't have it both ways you cant argue that the free market is the best way, and then when American cars suffer a lack of sales due to the perception that they are lesser quality ( whether that is true or not true on the quality issue) that you need the government to bail them out. People are arguing for the free market and government assistance at the same time, HUH???

With regards to having millions invested in something and then having to give it up. It happens all the time. Especially, the companies that are under such stress. Its not that they want to give it up but if you don't have anymore money to invest into it, you don't have any more money to invest into. Look it is happen already all future designs on hold, Camaro Vert on hold, layoffs, plant closings the cuts in spending are happen and they will continue to happen. When a company is in this kind of dire straights all things are on the table including the camaro. I'm not saying they are going to cut the Camaro, I'm just saying that in this market and climate, it is not a 100% that the car gets made.