Toyota Customers Experience Unintended Acceleration Again

[somewhatdamaged]

Originally Posted by coolman

Most of the other recalls won't take you or your family to certain death. I would say a car taking off on you is a big deal.
Next time your out for a drive have someone chain your feet to the seat brackets and throw a cement block on the pedal and see how far you make it. Then tell me it's not a big deal or their blowing thing out of proportion.

If this was GM all the haters would be out in full force calling for the heads of any and everyone. So often I'm seeing opinions that Toyota should somehow get a pass on this...screw that noise....this is obviously a huge problem in which families have been permanently changed forever. They deserve the loss of public trust for their greed.

Somewhatdamaged

[future2010camaroowner]

I hate Toyota even though my family has 2 Toyotas. My dad has a 07 Toyota Tundra that has nothing but problems. First, the tire pressure light would not turn off. Then the entire radio screen was blank and you have to change the radio stations blindly. Next came the recall of the pedal/floor mat. Last but not least, the drive belt is cracking. The two and a half year old truck has about 15650 miles on it. The dealer and the customer rep said it's normal wear and tear and is not covered by the warranty. WTF?! Screw Toyota.

[HeatherR]

Another one...

This time a Prius...

http://www.freep.com/article/2010030...runaway-Toyota

[masterofpuppets]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/local-15749667/18523002

....as if it couldn't get worse for Toyota ........

[2000v6]

Toyota is tarnished for good anyway. A lot of people are still willing to buy them, but they definitely lost a good percentage of their consumer base

[Stew]

They were talking about this on the radion this morning and apparently Toyota is trying to write it of saying it is "just another isolated incident" um yeah.....

[2000v6]

Originally Posted by camarowa

i think this is all getting blown out of proportion. I am not saying that there is not a serious problem, but is seems to be that the media is really having a hayday with Toyota even though other automakers have significant recalls as well.

Yeh a lot of other automakers have faced serious recalls, except the difference is that what toyota did was send out the recalls way to late. They already knew about this problem a few years ago, and back then a possibly innocent man went to jail because he claimed that the brakes in his toyota didn't work and he killed some people. Nobody believed him and he was thrown in the slammer by the judge.

Nowadays, people have been killed because they were either driving toyotas that had faulty brakes and they didn't know, or people were hit by toyotas with faulty brakes.

So the whole toyota recall debacle has lead to death of a rather large amount of people and possibly someone innocent going to jail.

Originally Posted by Stew

They were talking about this on the radion this morning and apparently Toyota is trying to write it of saying it is "just another isolated incident" um yeah.....

Now they are trying to do whatever they can so that people start walking back into their showrooms. It's all about the money, they don't even have the balls to take the blame.

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by coolman

Most of the other recalls won't take you or your family to certain death. I would say a car taking off on you is a big deal.
Next time your out for a drive have someone chain your feet to the seat brackets and throw a cement block on the pedal and see how far you make it. Then tell me it's not a big deal or their blowing thing out of proportion.

Only kills people who don't know how to use neutral or the off switch and increases the health of our gene pool.

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Not even close...Toyota has set a new record for corruption, irresponsibility, ineptness, and general "low-ness". They, without a doubt, deserve every ounce of scrutiny they get right now.

Yeah, I mean its not like any American car company would make a car the catches fire on rear impacts, or would make up war profiteering charges against a competitor to get the government to shut them down...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

Only kills people who don't know how to use neutral or the off switch and increases the health of our gene pool.

I just want to make sure I understand your position. Every single person who has been killed due to unintended acceleration doesn't know how to drive? Even the police officer? Even the ones who tried shifting into neutral but nothing happened? Even the ones who can't turn their car off because of the keyless ignition?

[ron10]

people are not bashing toyota because they have a problem.people are bashing them because they covered it up for so long and a lot of innocent people are now dead or injured because of it.

[Blueclyde]

Unconscionable position for Toyota to have put themselves in. Not huge fan of their cars. Definitely some kind of an EMI issue and/or software strategy issue. I can't figure out the whole floor mat thing. That makes no sense at all. That is an instant high score on a DFMEA and would have been prevented by any fifth grader who knows how to conduct design FMEA's. That is why floor mats are pinned today. Can't even figure out the EMI thing either. That system should be bullet proof against EMI. Drive by wire systems are not new and making them "unintended acceleration proof" has always been the NUMBER 1 goal in designing any production system. That $1M from Edmunds is going to get taken by somebody with access to an EMI chamber...

[Coldpants]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I just want to make sure I understand your position. Every single person who has been killed due to unintended acceleration doesn't know how to drive? Even the police officer? Even the ones who tried shifting into neutral but nothing happened? Even the ones who can't turn their car off because of the key less ignition?

Well no one knows how to drive but me. But if you want a serious answer I knew about the key less ignition but have not heard anyone try to shift into neutral. And I do not buy being locked out of neutral there is no practical reason to lock a car out of neutral. The real fault in a drive by wire system with no redundancy. The same type of system in many cars today including the Camaro. I can help but think if I had a good old wire connecting my peddle to the throttle the car would not lunge forward when I am trying to creep around a parking lot. While not bad enough to be a danger it shows the issue of using imperfect software to control a 4000lb vehicle. Aerobus had the same problem when it first built the fully fly by wire airliner. The computer would get confused and crash the plane. It would seem a similar thing is happening here but with the inherent increased danger in auto travel the effects are more pronounced.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Coldpants

Only kills people who don't know how to use neutral or the off switch and increases the health of our gene pool.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I just want to make sure I understand your position. Every single person who has been killed due to unintended acceleration doesn't know how to drive? Even the police officer? Even the ones who tried shifting into neutral but nothing happened? Even the ones who can't turn their car off because of the keyless ignition?

Having never driven a vehicle with keyless ignition before, this is just speculation but: what would happen if they threw the 'key' fob out the window? Most of those require the lil 'key' fob thingy to be within a certain distance of the vehicle, right? Just a thought, and I'm sure that may not have crossed their minds as they were too busy thinking 'oh dear god, it won't turn it off, it wont go into neutral, what do i do?!'