Hellcat coming to an end [WARNING: CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS POSTS + WARNINGS HANDED OUT - Page 2

c4racer · 02-02-2021, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KindaOrange

You all understand what this means right?

The only generation of mid-engine Corvette ever is happening right now.

ZL1, Hellcat, ZR1 will be the most sought-after classic cars... possibly ever.

I am thinking buying a warehouse full of these cars may just well outperform the stock market over the next 20 years - maybe significantly....

Mountain · 02-02-2021, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KindaOrange

You all understand what this means right?

The only generation of mid-engine Corvette ever is happening right now.

ZL1, Hellcat, ZR1 will be the most sought-after classic cars... possibly ever.

Yep. Especially if GM is serious about no ICE vehicles by 2030.

The other point to think about is what various European and Asian countries are doing: putting limitions on where ICE or certain ICE vehicles can be driven. An example of this, that could very well happen sooner than later, is LA or NYC could restrict cars to only hybrids or electrics, maybe allowing ICE's but under a very restricted case (i.e. "weekend car" that's only used x-miles a year and requires $$ in a special registration, limited in number or a long vetted procedure).

Ademarco · 02-02-2021, 10:58 AM

I think any gas powered performance car with a manual will be desirable. I was thinking about picking up an 07-09 911 with a manual, but their prices hold and just bought a Camaro since it is new with manual and not a decade old.

The big plan is to make the plebs ride mass transit for their safety and to save the environment, while the ruling class fly on private planes and get picked up in their Rolls Royce.

gtfoxy · 02-02-2021, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountain

Yep. Especially if GM is serious about no ICE vehicles by 2030.

The other point to think about is what various European and Asian countries are doing: putting limitions on where ICE or certain ICE vehicles can be driven. An example of this, that could very well happen sooner than later, is LA or NYC could restrict cars to only hybrids or electrics, maybe allowing ICE's but under a very restricted case (i.e. "weekend car" that's only used x-miles a year and requires $$ in a special registration, limited in number or a long vetted procedure).

Make no mistake this is, & always has been, about two things: Power & Control

Anyone who thinks any different is willfully ignorant, complicit, or observationally incontinent or any combination of the three.

LT4Greg · 02-02-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RxSummit16

Only because it probably won't be necessary. What will happen will be that ICE cars will be made too expensive for most people to own. High gas prices, high insurance, special taxes for ICE cars. On top of that all major car companies will only be offering EVs. The only thing that isn't certain, is how fast it happens. Certainly with in 15 to 20 years. Probably sooner.

Finally someone sees the future of cars and trucks like I do! Thanks RxSummit16!

Malbjey · 02-02-2021, 01:16 PM

Of course ICE cars will be more expensive to own in the future. Oil is a finite resource. You guys think oil prices will stay the same even if we stop pursuing EVs?

UnknownJinX · 02-02-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

By the time EVs are truly mainstream, meaning let’s say half the market, most of the worries will be in the rearview mirror. That’s at least 10 years away.

And when you realize you are just addicted to the noise and your ember you all probably put a playing card on your bike spokes with a close pin to “make noise”, you may just realize that other than noise it’s just a better mouse trap.

And when it breaks down to a comparison and the ONLY thing an ICE Camaro can do better is make noise............

Oh yes, the i3.

The British Police's best friends!

Oh wait...

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/24/polic...nals-11956349/

Sent from toaster or something

c4racer · 02-02-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Malbjey

Of course ICE cars will be more expensive to own in the future. Oil is a finite resource. You guys think oil prices will stay the same even if we stop pursuing EVs?

that has been the argument for 75 years now, yet look where oil prices are today....

Number 3 · 02-02-2021, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfoxy

Make no mistake this is, & always has been, about two things: Power & Control

Anyone who thinks any different is willfully ignorant, complicit, or observationally incontinent or any combination of the three.

Perfect internet post. If you don't agree with me you are "ignorant, complicit or observationally incontintent."

LOL

Couldn't possibly that GM is seeking a better solution that leads to long term market dominance and profitability.

Or that if we don't start doing something now for the environment that 50 years from now when we are all dead and gone, having that better solution might have made a difference.

Naaaaaah it can only be about power and control. After all no one can disagree with under your stated conditions.

gtfoxy · 02-02-2021, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Perfect internet post. If you don't agree with me you are "ignorant, complicit or observationally incontintent."

LOL

Couldn't possibly that GM is seeking a better solution that leads to long term market dominance and profitability.

Or that if we don't start doing something now for the environment that 50 years from now when we are all dead and gone, having that better solution might have made a difference.

Naaaaaah it can only be about power and control. After all no one can disagree with under your stated conditions.

It’s not a level headed approach.

I have yet to see you ever address the actual limitations in infrastructure, false science or potential negatives by pursuing this complete & total reckless lacked for funding, not to mention potentially socially hazardous haphazard rush to force a momentarily, nor near-future sustainability, of these decisions.

Instead you regurgitate the same false talking points while ignoring the real world implications this push is capable of being used to implement.

Malbjey · 02-02-2021, 03:08 PM

The limitations of infrastructure is going to be a temporary problem. Won't we need to create jobs to address it? Isn't that a good thing?

I always see people say updating roads, bridges, tunnels, sewers, etc is a good way to create jobs. Somehow people are ignoring that when it comes to electrical infrastructure. Why is it good for those other things, but bad for electrical infrastructure? Its like some of you are just throwing up your hands and saying 'the infrastructure is bad!' and not bothering to think of how it can be addressed.

Gunkk · 02-02-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WldchrySS

All good things must come to an end.

True.

Otherwise they are average things.

MR's 2SS · 02-02-2021, 03:51 PM

Right now theres guys running off shore boats with 2 or 3 race big blocks... WW2 fighter planes.... 100 foot yachts. They will make it so only those guys will be able to afford the muscle cars. As well as guns but thats another story.
My problem with all this... is that it is not simply an evolutianary change. Its a mandated change. The Government is directly involved and picking winners and losers.
You can believe in climate change or not... you can want EVs or not... whatever.
But when the government is picking winners and losers??? The guy whos bribing best wins....Plus its all about control.
Theres a guy in here I read that said he had a Tesla. He said he loved it. But as with your computer... when they decide to do an upgrade, you get it whether you approve it or not. So they did an upgrade for him and it deteriorated his performance. He complained up the food chain but they would not revert his program back. So he sold it.
So we can debate how quick an electric motor can propel a car all we want. But if "they" decide its too fast for our safety... everyone gets an upgrade...
Another guy drew an analogy to the refrigerator replacing the ice box.
Not at all. The ice box was a pain in the butt... everyone wanted a refrigerator. There was no debate unless you owned a home ice delivery business...

gtfoxy · 02-02-2021, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Malbjey

The limitations of infrastructure is going to be a temporary problem. Won't we need to create jobs to address it? Isn't that a good thing?

I always see people say updating roads, bridges, tunnels, sewers, etc is a good way to create jobs. Somehow people are ignoring that when it comes to electrical infrastructure. Why is it good for those other things, but bad for electrical infrastructure? Its like some of you are just throwing up your hands and saying 'the infrastructure is bad!' and not bothering to think of how it can be addressed.

Jobs cost money. Someone has to pay them.

Where is that money coming from?

Our great, great grandchildren are in debt for what we don’t have now.

If we had a surplus, our government, & private corporate entities weren’t elitist wasteful sacks of flesh, an actual plan for sustainable electrical production existed & a rational timetable to be implemented, along with an actual viable reason, then by all means let’s get it done.

The truth is, however, it is, as the Chairman for the UN said, “Climate change is a tool to enact wealth redistribution.”

So from the onset everything is to be looked at through that lens.

02-02-2021, 03:51 PM	#27
MR's 2SS Drives: 2020 2SS Vert/M6/F250 SD Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Jersey Posts: 383	Right now theres guys running off shore boats with 2 or 3 race big blocks... WW2 fighter planes.... 100 foot yachts. They will make it so only those guys will be able to afford the muscle cars. As well as guns but thats another story. My problem with all this... is that it is not simply an evolutianary change. Its a mandated change. The Government is directly involved and picking winners and losers. You can believe in climate change or not... you can want EVs or not... whatever. But when the government is picking winners and losers??? The guy whos bribing best wins....Plus its all about control. Theres a guy in here I read that said he had a Tesla. He said he loved it. But as with your computer... when they decide to do an upgrade, you get it whether you approve it or not. So they did an upgrade for him and it deteriorated his performance. He complained up the food chain but they would not revert his program back. So he sold it. So we can debate how quick an electric motor can propel a car all we want. But if "they" decide its too fast for our safety... everyone gets an upgrade... Another guy drew an analogy to the refrigerator replacing the ice box. Not at all. The ice box was a pain in the butt... everyone wanted a refrigerator. There was no debate unless you owned a home ice delivery business... __________________

02-02-2021, 10:58 AM	#17
Ademarco Drives: 18 Ford Raptor, 21 2SS 1LE M6 Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: SoCal Posts: 127	I think any gas powered performance car with a manual will be desirable. I was thinking about picking up an 07-09 911 with a manual, but their prices hold and just bought a Camaro since it is new with manual and not a decade old. The big plan is to make the plebs ride mass transit for their safety and to save the environment, while the ruling class fly on private planes and get picked up in their Rolls Royce.

02-02-2021, 01:16 PM	#20
Malbjey Drives: 2022 Kia Stinger GT2 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 301	Of course ICE cars will be more expensive to own in the future. Oil is a finite resource. You guys think oil prices will stay the same even if we stop pursuing EVs?

02-02-2021, 03:08 PM	#25
Malbjey Drives: 2022 Kia Stinger GT2 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 301	The limitations of infrastructure is going to be a temporary problem. Won't we need to create jobs to address it? Isn't that a good thing? I always see people say updating roads, bridges, tunnels, sewers, etc is a good way to create jobs. Somehow people are ignoring that when it comes to electrical infrastructure. Why is it good for those other things, but bad for electrical infrastructure? Its like some of you are just throwing up your hands and saying 'the infrastructure is bad!' and not bothering to think of how it can be addressed.