Thoughts from the Depths of the Abyss...week 2 (11/10/09)

[PQ]

Originally Posted by pinkcamaro10

All i know, is the color pink makes me happy.

That's the only input I have on the subject.

I seriously belly laughed.

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

I had a thought too....

how do you know what color you are truely looking at?

for instance, take a piece of blue construction paper..... the color (thru your eyes) that you see as blue might be different if you were looking thru someone elses eyes.
say that if you were looking thru my eyes at the same piece of paper and it was green thru my eyes. but I was trained that when I saw that color it was "blue" and if I looked thru your eyes at the paper, it might be red to me (thru your eyes)....

I've thought this before. We would NEVER even know it.

I vote innate.

Starting and finishing with the fact that the brighter it is, the better we can see. The darker, the worse we can see. We fear what we can't see.

As far as just different hughs, colors,

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

I had a thought too....

how do you know what color you are truely looking at?

for instance, take a piece of blue construction paper..... the color (thru your eyes) that you see as blue might be different if you were looking thru someone elses eyes.
say that if you were looking thru my eyes at the same piece of paper and it was green thru my eyes. but I was trained that when I saw that color it was "blue" and if I looked thru your eyes at the paper, it might be red to me (thru your eyes)....

The possible difference between subjective perception and objective reality when it comes to the color spectrum is pretty much a moot point as long as it maintains its consistency. I don't know that we could ever cross check the two unless we could pull raw data out of neurons and some how check it against wavelengths to pinpoint where any mistakes were made. And even so as long as they were consistent it ultimately wouldn't matter, the only issue would be if you woke up one day and everything were different colors than normally.

To the OP I'm gonna go with social, environmental and biological conditioning.
Lighter people blush when embarrassed and flush when aroused, so it would make sense that pink/red would be linked to passion in those cultures.
In African cultures the most valued colors were simply those hardest to make or that occurred less often in nature.
Personally I have a very hard time associating colors with emotions, it's pretty much all memorization for me. So if you threw me into a culture with vastly different color association and emotional perception, I'd have to start all over.


Not trying to thread jack but true story, Squares A and B are the same color.

[mickss]

All interesting theory`s but how do you explain auras, colors conveying feeling, ect, if a person is born blind?

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by mickss

All interesting theory`s but how do you explain auras, colors conveying feeling, ect, if a person is born blind?

All I can say to this particular point is that I wasn't born blind, so I don't know. In fact, I don't even know for sure if what the blind people see and label as "colors" and auras are even anywhere near the same thing as what we label as colors. They've never seen color as we've seen it, and we've never seen it as they've seen it. It could just be a "for lack of a better term" situation.

I've been thinking about the main point for a few days now and the only real thing is that I feel color associations are condition - they are learned. Even if you look at the fact that people turn red when angry, aroused, or embarassed and extrapolate that to passion, it still requires human interaction of some kind to develope that connection. If you never see anyother person blush/flush, how will you associate red with that passion?
- X

P.S. - As for how I would feel if I became color blind... I honestly don't know. I've never been color blind before. I can assume I would be disappointed at the least in the short term, but I have a feeling I would adapt in the long term.

[Iwantone2]

Been thinking about it more...

Can it be both? Innate and conditioned?

Innate because aren't certain things "passed down" from your mother when you are born? Maybe her color association is passed down to you and you just live your life with that.

Or, once the child begins to see color for themselves, they make their own judgements and create their own emotional associations.

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by FarmallsForever

Seen several studies that point to some of the harsher colors (reds, black, etc) cause more stress on the eyes. This causes the brain to raise the levels of different hormones, leading to fatigue and other related issues. Other colors like blue and green seem to have a relaxing effect on the eyes and mind. Reducing stress in the body and promoting a more positive attitude in the individual. If one looks at nature, one seems lots of greens and blue tones (trees, grass, water, and sky) as opposed to reds and blacks.

What is interesting to me is that you seem to regard nature as peaceful (me too, in a way) but nature is a harsh bish. I'm sure we've all seen some of those animal shows. There is a side of nature that is very harsh, unforgiving, and stressful.

I read somewhere that my favorite color, blue, means loyalty - "true blue." I have never associated blue with sadness and "feeling blue." I associate it w/ loyalty, freedom, and peace. So if favorite color & personality have a tie, would it be an individual's interpretation of it, or society's? Red has ties to overaggression, but it also means energy and extrovertedness.

[FarmallsForever]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

What is interesting to me is that you seem to regard nature as peaceful (me too, in a way) but nature is a harsh bish. I'm sure we've all seen some of those animal shows. There is a side of nature that is very harsh, unforgiving, and stressful.

What I was trying to get across was more inline with plants (landscape), and not animals. I am not very good at being able to speak my thoughts, much less type them up. Somewhere between my brain and my fingers there is some interference that happens With that in mind I will take a stab at the rest of your statment. As for nature being harsh and unforgiving, yes that is true but even then there is a poetic beauty in it if one takes the time to look (the pattern snow makes in the air when a blizzard is howling, yes it can kill you but I still think it is beautiful ). Read somewhere that nature/life is like a book. Every day one gets a new lesson and you either pass and live or one fails and dies. There is usually no retakes. As for stressful, well I imagine a deer does feel some stress being chased by a couger, but than so do I in traffic or when the road is a skating rink and I am driving home from work.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by Iwantone2

Been thinking about it more...

Can it be both? Innate and conditioned?

Innate because aren't certain things "passed down" from your mother when you are born? Maybe her color association is passed down to you and you just live your life with that.

Or, once the child begins to see color for themselves, they make their own judgements and create their own emotional associations.

How about it's in our genetic code to associate things like that, as humans. Which would explain why it occurs in every culture.

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

How about it's in our genetic code to associate things like that, as humans. Which would explain why it occurs in every culture.

Similarly, I think it is just how our brains are wired. On top of that, no human is genetically the same, so in tern, everyones brains and eyes will process colors differently and give different twists for things.

(On a different note, that is what makes meeting new people so fun, as you've probably heard, the world would be pretty d*** boring if everyone thought the same, let alone if they were genetically the same.)

...IMHO...

-MrCool

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by FarmallsForever

What I was trying to get across was more inline with plants (landscape), and not animals. I am not very good at being able to speak my thoughts, much less type them up. Somewhere between my brain and my fingers there is some interference that happens With that in mind I will take a stab at the rest of your statment. As for nature being harsh and unforgiving, yes that is true but even then there is a poetic beauty in it if one takes the time to look (the pattern snow makes in the air when a blizzard is howling, yes it can kill you but I still think it is beautiful ). Read somewhere that nature/life is like a book. Every day one gets a new lesson and you either pass and live or one fails and dies. There is usually no retakes. As for stressful, well I imagine a deer does feel some stress being chased by a couger, but than so do I in traffic or when the road is a skating rink and I am driving home from work.

Very nicely put.

Agreed.