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Old 08-10-2017, 06:32 PM   #15
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I'm glad to hear they are finally exploring the idea of a stripper Camaro with a V8. There is a decently big market if they can get the price down just below $32k to undercut the Challenger RT and base Mustang GT. Sell it without the RS package. Remove some options across the entire trim lineup and decrease or at very least maintain current prices. The Mustang will eventually eclipse it in price. It's just a waiting game.
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:36 PM   #16
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Yeah, V8's are pricey. A 1LT RS V6 is pushing 31K, that's how you know it costs a lot. If they could allow the packages to be added later it would help but that's not feasible I guess.
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:48 PM   #17
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Maybe twin turbo from the factory
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:49 PM   #18
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you wanna drop the v8 price to what the competition is doing, means cutting out 4k.

Assuming we can't ditch the unions to reduce factory overhead that gets built into the price...

1. Standard single din basic radio mounted in a double din standardized location. Junk standard speakers, no backup camera.
2. Lets bring back safety as an option. You get 2 standard air bags and the rest are optional (1 in steering wheel and one in passenger dash)
3. Detuned engine options - allowing chevy to reduce the number of radiators, tire width and exhaust system reduced in size.


While they're at all that, can they also just get rid of putting chrome (fake or real) inside the car? It looks cheap and is annoying since it loves to be in places that reflect the sun into your eyes while driving. Brushed aluminum idiots. It gives you that metal look without looking cheap and without blinding you. Everyone wins.
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:58 PM   #19
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you wanna drop the v8 price to what the competition is doing, means cutting out 4k.

Assuming we can't ditch the unions to reduce factory overhead that gets built into the price...

1. Standard single din basic radio mounted in a double din standardized location. Junk standard speakers, no backup camera.
2. Lets bring back safety as an option. You get 2 standard air bags and the rest are optional (1 in steering wheel and one in passenger dash)
3. Detuned engine options - allowing chevy to reduce the number of radiators, tire width and exhaust system reduced in size.


While they're at all that, can they also just get rid of putting chrome (fake or real) inside the car? It looks cheap and is annoying since it loves to be in places that reflect the sun into your eyes while driving. Brushed aluminum idiots. It gives you that metal look without looking cheap and without blinding you. Everyone wins.
i don't think US/EU laws will allow #2
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:03 PM   #20
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As Martin Jim said above, packages are there to streamline suppliers and production. Even more important it is the wish of the dealer and sales councils (dealers advising gm). Their thinking is if you make stuff a la carte, they will never be able to stock what the majority wants, their managers will screw up the stock selections and dealer trades will skyrocket between dealers. This increases the transaction price.

This is pretty prevalent in the industry, with Acura being the worst: less colors and literally just two packages on most of their stuff.
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:04 PM   #21
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Not surprising, just wondered what took them so long...All they had to do was look at the 5thGen SS...quite a bit less creature comforts, luxury and tech goodies, but sold like hot cakes...

The cry for up-grades, gizmos and luxury items for the 6thGens came to reality, but obviously would cost more....The 5thGen formula would still sell very well....Hopefully they will expand the 6thGen V-8 lineup with a more Spartan content and price....
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:08 PM   #22
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i don't think US/EU laws will allow #2
i dont think there are any laws on how many air bags must be in a car, since they all vary. And there's no law stating that you have to get great crash safety ratings.

You just gotta pass.

Might make the insurance a little higher but it's limited power could offset that increase.


Just gotta make the car way less upscale and performance oriented but keep the look and then the aftermarket can make it awesome... which is the historic demographic/market for the camaro.

Though, i think if you got rid of mylink and all the proprietary stuff that brings and go with a standard stereo setup, that would easily knock off over a grand ..probably closer to 2k when you consider the licensing costs of MOST, bose, etc. Then reducing engine power and going with thinner, more common tire sizes and such would net you the remaining money to get close to the competition price points.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:33 PM   #23
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I would find it interesting if the 2019 Camaro removes all the extra's as standard equipment from the SS to reduce the base price to be similar to the Mustang before the 2018 refresh.

Where as the Mustang is adding equipment and raising base price to make it competitive performance wise with the Camaro. The two would basically be switching places price wise for entry which would be amusing.

I think it would certainly help the Camaro out if it starts 2k less then the Mustang but at the top end is similarly optioned out so that the deciding factor is which car is better fully loaded. However with the Mustang price jump they are both equally matched price wise that Camaro may steal sales from the Mustang, assuming that the Camaro still delivers better performance then the Mustang.

I guess we will have to see how the 2018 Mustang sales do with the price increase.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:36 PM   #24
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Camaro needs something like this...."Biscayne" (low end trim), with V-8 (409 shown here), for power....A no-frills Camaro with the LT-1 or LT-4 would be awesome...

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Old 08-10-2017, 08:46 PM   #25
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So,.. 1SS LS ?
Not even an SS designation needed...."V-8 LS" would do....
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:55 PM   #26
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Yeah, that would be great to have a lower cost option and variations. I think dodge did that with their truck. GM should do that with the trucks as well.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:57 PM   #27
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Would have been nice to get an SS sedan without all the tech. Blind spot/self park/reverse sensors, etc. At 20% off that thing would have been a steal.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:58 PM   #28
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Dump GPS and Nav on every model!

Even Apple maps is better than any built in stuff.
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