Hyundai Sonata

[AirGoya]

o ok thanks ^. I dont really keep up with hyundai. To be honest, im extremely biased. GM ALL THE WAYYYYY!!!!!!
I just dont understand why people would buy a car from a different country, even worse ... korea, especially with our economy in the state that its in.

[TAG UR IT]

^People buy them because of the price they offer, warranty they offer, etc.

I wanted to buy GM ..heck, I wanted a Tahoe. But, wife really wanted the Sorento. I drove it once and loved it. If you want to know why, go drive a loaded Kia Sorento and you'll see EXACTLY why (coupled w/ a price tag of $25,000 total for a new Sorento) some folks go for the foreign vehicles.

Seriosly, I LOVE our Kia. It's aweome and woudn't hesitate buying another one....although I want a Buick Enclave instead.

[storm79]

Originally Posted by AirGoya

o ok thanks ^. I dont really keep up with hyundai. To be honest, im extremely biased. GM ALL THE WAYYYYY!!!!!!
I just dont understand why people would buy a car from a different country, even worse ... korea, especially with our economy in the state that its in.

foreign vehicles are actually really good vehicles but thats just my opinion lol

[storm79]

sorry for the double post but i saw a hyundai genesis in a car dealership the other day man those r some sharp looking cars...at first i thought it was a mercedes and then i was like wow those r wicked nice!

[Beelzebubba]

I drove the Sonata. It was a good car. A little soft and spongy in the corners for my taste.

The Optima was worse. Drove like a late '80s FWD deVille. WAY too soft.

I ultimately chose the US built Mazda 6 instead

[JaysonAych]

Before I had my Dodge, I had an '01 Hyundai Elantra...that was a really good car. The fit and finish were outstanding, the car drove really well, and was far better than I expected. IMHO, after testing out a current-generation Honda Civic, it isn't as good as that Elantra was.

But I got a job about 60 miles away from home, and I wanted something bigger, more comfortable, and less noisy on the highway, so I traded it in for the Dodge a couple of years later. But I'd put 45,000 miles on that Hyundai in that short span of time including a road trip to New Mexico, and it was a solid little car.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

The Optima was worse. Drove like a late '80s FWD deVille. WAY too soft.

I loved the ride in my '87 FWD deVille.

[Beelzebubba]

Originally Posted by theholycow

I loved the ride in my '87 FWD deVille.

You're kidding right?

They would wallow around for a few seconds after every bump. Apparently, to Cadillac engineers, a comfortable ride meant very little compression or rebound damping and springs out of a click type ball point pen.

and the steering? It was not exactly precise. Vague would best describe it. Again the Cadillac engineers decided that comfort should mean completely isolating the driver from the driving experience. Like they were trying to make the steering feel like the predecessor's recirculating ball steering, but worse.

Going 70 over a long bridge with big expansion joints would have been scary. Fortunately the HT-4100 would have broken down long before 70 mph was acheived.

It took GM a couple of attempts after the outstanding ZL1 to properly build an aluminum motor. The linerless Vega motor and Cadillac HT-4100 were collosal failures along the way to the again outstanding LS-es

[theholycow]

You sound like you had sportscar expectations from a luxury car made when people mostly didn't want to combine the two.

The wallowing wasn't too bad...certainly no worse than my 1980 LeSabre.

The soft springs were really nice unless you were in a hurry around a turn -- but 16" rims with 205/55R16 tires made it handle better than any SUV and half the new sedans available today, in spite of the soft springs.

If, by "vague" steering, you're talking about the power steering that actually adds power instead of "sporty" steering that requires you to use both hands to yank the wheel, well I really enjoyed steering lock-to-lock with one finger. I miss that and wish I could get it even on a "sporty" car usually equipped with "road feel" -- I can tell what's going on just fine without any "road feel" in the steering wheel, thank you very much.

Going 70 over a long bridge with expansion joints was not scary, it was comfortable. You could hear them but you couldn't feel them.

You're right about the HT-4100, though. Piece of shit engine.

[Beelzebubba]

Your LeSabre shouldn't have been that different than the 1983 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale I had.

That was a good big car. The 307 left it a bit underpowered but everything was slow from the factory in '83.

Got stuck between two cars in a flood. The car behind me wouldn't back up and the car in front wouldn't go forward when the water was only about 6 inches deep. I watched the water slowly rise and consume the car in front and put my car in about 2 feet of water while blasting the horn and flashing my reverse lights on and off until the horn went under.

Ruined a really nice interior and the car never ran right again. :(

I liked that car...certainly more than any of the pre-Northstar FWD Caddies

[Cubanaso]

They are a good car company...period, on top of that they are in WAY better shape than our friends the big 3.

The Genesis sadan is handsom, not my cup of tea (I like sporty aggressive looks), but it sure does look like a G35-37 mixed with BMW and Lexus. Nothing to be shamed of there, they are all good looking cars.

That's why the more I read about the Genesis Coupe...the more I like it.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

Your LeSabre shouldn't have been that different than the 1983 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale I had.

That was a good big car. The 307 left it a bit underpowered but everything was slow from the factory in '83.

How about a 4.1L (252ci) V6? At least the car is a mere 3,439 pounds (and the Caddy weighed in at a svelte 3,370)...but that carburetor doesn't exactly feed the engine like modern fuel injection. It sure isn't making half of the power the DI 3.6 will (though both cars are 500 pounds less than the Camaro)!

For comparison sake, your '83 Olds weighed ~3,550, and the 307 made at least 15 more bhp (torque is not listed in my book). 116" wheelbase vs. 115.9 for my Buick or 110.8 for the Caddy.

Oh, and horsepower numbers for those cars: Buick-125, Caddy-130, Olds-140. Though they all made lots of torque for all their puny horsepower ratings.

Ruined a really nice interior and the car never ran right again. :(

I liked that car...certainly more than any of the pre-Northstar FWD Caddies

Bummer.