The Toyota you DON'T know.

[Tomash]

I think it's more about seriously studying the given case(s) without too powerful generalisation / creating stereotypes. Generalisation understood in this way is bad, mmm'kay?

That's the part of SilverTurtle's post that triggered my reaction. I don't think statements like "US car companies are good to their employees and freedom, in other countries the car companies are bad and run sweatshops" can be even considered remotely true.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Tomash

@SilverTurtle: there are countries beside USA where citizens and employees are treated good. Hell, in some of them even better than in the US. Will you ditch american cars after I give you some examples?

I think that part of his problem is that Mitsubishi built fighters for the Japanese, Porsche built tanks and trucks for the Germans (so did every other German make -including Opel who is now owned by GM), Hitler help style the VW Beetle, Fiat built fighters for the Italians and the list goes on. The North American auto makers made tanks, trucks and jeeps (most jeeps were made by Ford), Rolls Royce made engines for aircraft (still do), and the list goes on for the allies too. But the allies were the good guys.

But thats only part of what he said. I will let him go on about the rest.

[stovt001]

This is outrageous. Its bad enough coming from a company I already hated, but even if GM did something like this they would lose my business on principle. I have nothing against Japanese cars. There are plenty of Mazdas, Hondas, Subies, and Mitsus I'd love to have. I do have everything against Toy-ota, and now I have one more reason to loath them.

[lafountain]

I was looking at possibly getting a Toyota in the event that I cannot get me a new Camaro. After reading this, I am seriously reconsidering that. I have no problems with Japanese cars as a whole, my wife and I bought a Mazda a few months ago, but if this information is entirely true then Toyota needs to look at its practices and make some serious changes.

[boxmonkeyracing]

where's the link to the original story?

[Mr. Wyndham]

In the original post, now....sorry 'bout that!

[CamaroSpike23]

and you guys wonder why toyotas are cheap...


shoot them all and be done with it.

[SilverTurtle]

Originally Posted by Tomash

@SilverTurtle: there are countries beside USA where citizens and employees are treated good. Hell, in some of them even better than in the US. Will you ditch american cars after I give you some examples?

Originally Posted by Scotsman

Possibly. Holla!!!

I know in Germany (or at least it comes off this way) auto assembly line workers are treated quite well and given consideration as far as their benefits, etc. Then again you could say that for almost any European country since their goverment is so incredibly different from ours.

Truth is this is still speculative, and you guys may see it as so wrong (which to an extent it is) but you really need to study and know the Japanese culture before you make such harsh judgments. Not only that, but don't forget GM, Ford and Chrysler are no saints either in regards to assembly line worker treatment. Something is definitely wrong when the CEO of the company you're contracted to work for is taking more money home when the company he's running is losing money.

Originally Posted by Tomash

I think it's more about seriously studying the given case(s) without too powerful generalisation / creating stereotypes. Generalisation understood in this way is bad, mmm'kay?

That's the part of SilverTurtle's post that triggered my reaction. I don't think statements like "US car companies are good to their employees and freedom, in other countries the car companies are bad and run sweatshops" can be even considered remotely true.

you have both missed the point of my post, probably because you are not as well educated on this topic as you think you are.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I think that part of his problem is that Mitsubishi built fighters for the Japanese, Porsche built tanks and trucks for the Germans (so did every other German make -including Opel who is now owned by GM), Hitler help style the VW Beetle, Fiat built fighters for the Italians and the list goes on. The North American auto makers made tanks, trucks and jeeps (most jeeps were made by Ford), Rolls Royce made engines for aircraft (still do), and the list goes on for the allies too. But the allies were the good guys.

But thats only part of what he said. I will let him go on about the rest.

and you have nailed it right on the head, giving me faith that people actually do know the past and might actually be learning from it.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Has anyone found another report by a different group with the same out come? being that I hate toyota I think this proves my point, but at the same time I don't want people to actually jump on this and this be a fictisious made up facts report. AS of right now in my mind doesn't matter what this article says because I want a deeper investigation by a different group. and even if I got that there are fan boys that would still cry BS if toyota was truthfully linked to this. doesn't matter how bad a company/country/product is there are people that will live in denial. I.E. my gf loves her toyotas.

[Mr. Wyndham]

http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562
You could try here...

You could also read about this. The guy who was overworked and died -- very true story:
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/283048

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562
You could try here...

You could also read about this. The guy who was overworked and died -- very true story:
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/283048

I don't doubt the death. I'm talking about a seperate organization not linked to NLC to come up with the facts.

the more organizations that have the facts and can verify if it's true or not people are more likely to believe it.

[Scotsman]

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

you have both missed the point of my post, probably because you are not as well educated on this topic as you think you are.

I wasn't referencing your post but the story itself.

For crying out loud though, we live in a global not American economy. And whatever money you spend on your 5thgen at least a portion of it however large or small will travel to a foreign country. Did you guys ever notice that the American economy isn't the only one in a recession? It can't always be all about US. Flame me allllllllllllllllllll you want......

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Scotsman

Did you guys ever notice that the American economy isn't the only one in a recession? It can't always be all about US. Flame me allllllllllllllllllll you want......

Yeah I've noticed. We're getting dragged down too.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by Scotsman

I wasn't referencing your post but the story itself.

For crying out loud though, we live in a global not American economy. And whatever money you spend on your 5thgen at least a portion of it however large or small will travel to a foreign country. Did you guys ever notice that the American economy isn't the only one in a recession? It can't always be all about US. Flame me allllllllllllllllllll you want......

In a Steven Colbert voice: AMERICA IS THE WORLD; and I accept your apology.