i8 how to... rediculous

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by LimaCharlie

I also hate the idea of hybrid sports cars/supercars. The batteries/electronic components in hybrid cars add unnecessary weight and complexity. Car manufacturers who are serious about building a supercar should just stick with improving the internal combustion engine (including turbo technology).

So McLaren and Porsche aren't serious about building supercars?

A P1 will run circles around a conventional ICE sports car.

[flyinglow57]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

BMW does some amazing things. But please be aware that the message that this car gives me is this:

"BMW wants drivers that are passionate about the driving experience and who are also completely uninterested in their own cars"

That is quite a contradictory message.

i agree 100% with this.

[Number 3]

Basically a BMW Volt

[LimaCharlie]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

So McLaren and Porsche aren't serious about building supercars?

A P1 will run circles around a conventional ICE sports car.

The Koenigsegg Agera R and Koenigsegg One:1 destroys the McLaren P1 on every performance aspect. Both of the Koenigsegg cars use a turbocharged ICE with no electric motor assistance.
The Porsche 918 and McLaren P1 are both amazing cars. I just wish both companies used an ICE only and not get electric motors involved. As stated above, electric motors add unnecessary weight and complexity. Koenigsegg recognizes this and proves the electric motor wrong when you consider the performance of the Agera R and One:1.
Porsche, McLaren, BMW, etc. are just following electric motor hybrid 'trends' in the auto industry now. Hybrid technology should remain in economy cars and nothing more. When serious performance is involved, the ICE is the only way to go.

Here's a video of the 918 vs. Agera R......Hybrid vs. ICE...No contest:

[Denis]

it may take a minute and a half to open the fuel door? this car is so silly...

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by LimaCharlie

The Koenigsegg Agera R and Koenigsegg One:1 destroys the McLaren P1 on every performance aspect. Both of the Koenigsegg cars use a turbocharged ICE with no electric motor assistance.
The Porsche 918 and McLaren P1 are both amazing cars. I just wish both companies used an ICE only and not get electric motors involved. As stated above, electric motors add unnecessary weight and complexity. Koenigsegg recognizes this and proves the electric motor wrong when you consider the performance of the Agera R and One:1.
Porsche, McLaren, BMW, etc. are just following electric motor hybrid 'trends' in the auto industry now. Hybrid technology should remain in economy cars and nothing more. When serious performance is involved, the ICE is the only way to go.

Here's a video of the 918 vs. Agera R......Hybrid vs. ICE...No contest:

No doubt Koenigsegg builds some fantastic cars, but you can't buy one. 918s started shipping to the US in 2014. Koenigsegg has only committed to sending one car to the US in 2015 (a One:1, coincidentally) and it is for showroom display only. Getting that kind of performance out of an internal combustion engine comes with a high price and low availability (not that I could afford either). I'm sure McLaren and Porsche could build 1,400 HP hybrids, but there would be very few of those as well, not to mention a very high price tag.

[kevint]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I've work as an engineer for a German heavy equipment manufacture for 20 years and spend a lot of time at the main offices in Germany. I alway tell them that "if its needlessly complicated and inefficient, its German." Even with office procedures and data sharing, the tendency is to control what you can do and how you do it.

Having said the above... They are amazing engineers and each person takes his roll very seriously.

(un)fortunately, the increased complexity/reduced serviceability is what makes it so easy for the end user. See also: anything Apple.

[shibbs]

Originally Posted by kevint

(un)fortunately, the increased complexity/reduced serviceability is what makes it so easy for the end user. See also: anything Apple.

I've compared BMW to Apple since I've started working here.

Blind devotion to the brand.
Needlessly expensive. (BMW still uses GM transmissions!)
Warranty/Genius Bar (Hell, BMW even has the BMW Genius now for Bluetooth help)
Non user-serviceable parts. Can't even replace a battery on your BMW yourself.
Did I mention completely blind devotion to the brand?

[IBM]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Basically a BMW Volt

Thinking of the i3?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by IBM

Thinking of the i3?

Yep, i3 is closer to the Volt. Thanks

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Yep, i3 is closer to the Volt. Thanks

We've all mixed up alpha-numeric names

[IBM]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

We've all mixed up alpha-numeric names

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by shibbs

I've compared BMW to Apple since I've started working here.

Blind devotion to the brand.
Needlessly expensive. (BMW still uses GM transmissions!)
Warranty/Genius Bar (Hell, BMW even has the BMW Genius now for Bluetooth help)
Non user-serviceable parts. Can't even replace a battery on your BMW yourself.
Did I mention completely blind devotion to the brand?

There is a reason I left BMW after over 2 decades, and ended up buying my first American Sports car

I was with BMW before it even went mainstream, ditto for Apple. I still have my Apple IIe

I love companies with Vision, but I hate it when things begin to look/feel/sound/ sterile, and on top of it, isolate the end users from their acquisitions, dare I even say, dictate to the end user.

I consider myself a loyalist, but I do not drink anyone's kool-aid, hence no blind devotion or allegiance here. Sadly, I see this kool-aid as being the drink of choice for many it seems, dare I say over half of the population. Is there a sheep smiley on here?

To conclude, and in a one liner, I believe in progress, but IMHO, Progress, has taken a slightly wrong turn.

Time will prove who was right once we look back in retrospect, as we do today, looking back in retrospect to other past races great civilizations, and as they did to others before them.

[Bulldog3071]

I had no idea that BMW built a piece of crap. Saw one of these on a flatbed a few weeks ago and it looked nice did not realize it was so hands off