Over 2 million more recalls - Page 2

MLL67RSSS · 05-20-2014, 07:55 PM

I personally think it's refreshing how post-bankruptcy, post ignition switch debacle GM is responding. They don't HAVE to issue these latest recalls. No one is calling for it or forcing them to do it. By their latest actions with these recalls they're demonstrating "If there is any issue that relates to the quality and safety of our products let's nip it in the bud and get it fixed quickly without any government intervention forcing it." Way to go GM!!! They're demonstrating the quality and safety of their products are more important than some more bad publicity the media will slant and distort. It's not Toyota foot-dragging for months and months and trying to blame floor mats until the NHTSA FORCED them to issue a recall for faulty accelerator and firmware issues. Don't know if you recall but the ONLY reason Toyota FINALLY took action was because they had to stop selling the affected cars.

BTW: I pretty sure someone seems to thinks there are shill GM reps paid to post things like this and I may be one of them. HILARIOUS!!!!!!! Please remove your tinfoil hat!!! Not that I couldn't use some extra money. My hours got cut back a few weeks ago. Our Family currently has 4 Chevrolets with over 130K miles. My 2000 S-10 has never been in the shop, my wife's '99 Lumina 3.8L LTZ has been in once for a new Mass Air thingy, and my son's '98 3.1L Lumina he beats on delivering sandwiches has so far been trouble free, sure goes through brakes and tires though. (If I WAS GM I'd probably have a new Camaro and not have a 15 model year old car as my newest vehicle. LOL)

EDIT: OH Crap forgot, wife's drivers rear power window quit working a little while ago. Probably something simple once I get a chance to check it out.
EDIT II: Shoot forgot another after about 137K miles my sons Lumina had to have the harmonic balancer replaced and I had to fix his window switch once.

SimpleGreen · 05-20-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by citabria7

But...There are MAJOR issues in other cars, still being ignored. Bad airbag seat sensors, interior door handles breaking, slashing hands and making it impossible to open the door from the inside. (In a wreck, what then?) Hope that does not wait for us in the future.

The interior door handles break so much in 88-00 Chevy and GMC trucks that they sell them in the help section at Autozone. I drove around for a week opening the door from the outside in my truck a couple months ago. Oh the horror!

I think it's amazing that folks get so upset that their can be a problem with a mass produced automobile, often with parts made by a third party manufacturer.

Some things are found in the test mules and fixed. Some problems are found on the road by customers. Such is life. I'm glad GM is getting it all out of their system with the voluntary recalls. May work out for the best in the end.

citabria7 · 05-21-2014, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SimpleGreen

The interior door handles break so much in 88-00 Chevy and GMC trucks that they sell them in the help section at Autozone. I drove around for a week opening the door from the outside in my truck a couple months ago. Oh the horror!

I think it's amazing that folks get so upset that their can be a problem with a mass produced automobile, often with parts made by a third party manufacturer.

Some things are found in the test mules and fixed. Some problems are found on the road by customers. Such is life. I'm glad GM is getting it all out of their system with the voluntary recalls. May work out for the best in the end.

You can't replace the door handles on the Solstice or HHR. They are one piece with the door panel. Very expensive.

citabria7 · 05-21-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

I personally think it's refreshing how post-bankruptcy, post ignition switch debacle GM is responding. They don't HAVE to issue these latest recalls. No one is calling for it or forcing them to do it. By their latest actions with these recalls they're demonstrating "If there is any issue that relates to the quality and safety of our products let's nip it in the bud and get it fixed quickly without any government intervention forcing it." Way to go GM!!! They're demonstrating the quality and safety of their products are more important than some more bad publicity the media will slant and distort. It's not Toyota foot-dragging for months and months and trying to blame floor mats until the NHTSA FORCED them to issue a recall for faulty accelerator and firmware issues. Don't know if you recall but the ONLY reason Toyota FINALLY took action was because they had to stop selling the affected cars.

BTW: I pretty sure someone seems to thinks there are shill GM reps paid to post things like this and I may be one of them. HILARIOUS!!!!!!! Please remove your tinfoil hat!!! Not that I couldn't use some extra money. My hours got cut back a few weeks ago. Our Family currently has 4 Chevrolets with over 130K miles. My 2000 S-10 has never been in the shop, my wife's '99 Lumina 3.8L LTZ has been in once for a new Mass Air thingy, and my son's '98 3.1L Lumina he beats on delivering sandwiches has so far been trouble free, sure goes through brakes and tires though. (If I WAS GM I'd probably have a new Camaro and not have a 15 model year old car as my newest vehicle. LOL)

EDIT: OH Crap forgot, wife's drivers rear power window quit working a little while ago. Probably something simple once I get a chance to check it out.
EDIT II: Shoot forgot another after about 137K miles my sons Lumina had to have the harmonic balancer replaced and I had to fix his window switch once.

Methinks you do protest too much for it not to be true. You spend an inordinate amount of energy defending a company which has been caught with its hand in the cookie jar.

MLL67RSSS · 05-21-2014, 08:35 AM

Not as much energy as you do bashing them. I know, you must work for Ford and are paid to post derogatory posts and threads on a Camaro site. How much are they paying you?

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Boy you sure are gaining quite a ahhh,,, reputation here...

shaffe · 05-21-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

I personally think it's refreshing how post-bankruptcy, post ignition switch debacle GM is responding. They don't HAVE to issue these latest recalls. No one is calling for it or forcing them to do it. By their latest actions with these recalls they're demonstrating "If there is any issue that relates to the quality and safety of our products let's nip it in the bud and get it fixed quickly without any government intervention forcing it." Way to go GM!!! They're demonstrating the quality and safety of their products are more important than some more bad publicity the media will slant and distort. It's not Toyota foot-dragging for months and months and trying to blame floor mats until the NHTSA FORCED them to issue a recall for faulty accelerator and firmware issues. Don't know if you recall but the ONLY reason Toyota FINALLY took action was because they had to stop selling the affected cars.

BTW: I pretty sure someone seems to thinks there are shill GM reps paid to post things like this and I may be one of them. HILARIOUS!!!!!!! Please remove your tinfoil hat!!! Not that I couldn't use some extra money. My hours got cut back a few weeks ago. Our Family currently has 4 Chevrolets with over 130K miles. My 2000 S-10 has never been in the shop, my wife's '99 Lumina 3.8L LTZ has been in once for a new Mass Air thingy, and my son's '98 3.1L Lumina he beats on delivering sandwiches has so far been trouble free, sure goes through brakes and tires though. (If I WAS GM I'd probably have a new Camaro and not have a 15 model year old car as my newest vehicle. LOL)

EDIT: OH Crap forgot, wife's drivers rear power window quit working a little while ago. Probably something simple once I get a chance to check it out.
EDIT II: Shoot forgot another after about 137K miles my sons Lumina had to have the harmonic balancer replaced and I had to fix his window switch once.

I actually think it's the opposite. The way i see it GM is like oh shit we got caught better recall everything over anything right now until the heat dies down.

stoopid · 05-21-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

I actually think it's the opposite. The way i see it GM is like oh shit we got caught better recall everything over anything right now until the heat dies down.

My thoughts as well, and I'd consider myself neutral on the subject (I really don't care if GM survives, I just happen to drive one right now).

What is VERY LIKELY is the government's investigation turned up more than what was made public i nthe 35 million fine, and GM was given the option to perform the changes and recalls necessary on their own terms instead of being fined again or leaned-on by a government agency. I don't see this as a "good company makes good", I see it as "bad company getting the ship pointed in the right direction at gunpoint".

TxBandit911 · 05-21-2014, 02:10 PM

I still can't get over how narrow peoples comfort zones are now...

I've driven plenty of POS cars in my life that had inside door handles that didn't work, no power steering, no airbags, holes rotted thru the floor, engines that could and did die at random times.

Guess what? I'm still alive and have never crashed after 22yrs of driving. Matter of fact, I owned a '98 dodge Dakota 5.9 R/T and it had this problem where the ignition wire would pop off the coil sometimes. That resulted in the engine dying. First time it happened to me, I was doing 70MPH in traffic in Houston on the freeway. It did not result in anything remotely close to crash and die. I coasted over to the shoulder, thru traffic, carefully, stopped on the shoulder, popped the hood...wow, this wire is unplugged, then drove away.

Everyone wants everything that happens to them to be the responsibility of the closest entity with money.

stoopid · 05-21-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TxBandit911

Everyone wants everything that happens to them to be the responsibility of the closest entity with money.

While I agree 100% with some of these minor problems being recalled, there are many cases where there's dangerous known issues and manufacturers weigh whether fixing them via recall or battling X number of lawsuits costs them less. Since the outcome benefits the consumer, I'll always lean toward being recall crazy than have broken stuff being left on the market that can (and sometimes does) hurt or kill people.

The GM ignition and toyota acceleration issues are both linked to deaths. One or a thousand, it's one too many when it could have been prevented and the manufacturer consciously chose not to do anything about it.

King Sun · 05-21-2014, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TxBandit911

I still can't get over how narrow peoples comfort zones are now...

I've driven plenty of POS cars in my life that had inside door handles that didn't work, no power steering, no airbags, holes rotted thru the floor, engines that could and did die at random times.

Guess what? I'm still alive and have never crashed after 22yrs of driving. Matter of fact, I owned a '98 dodge Dakota 5.9 R/T and it had this problem where the ignition wire would pop off the coil sometimes. That resulted in the engine dying. First time it happened to me, I was doing 70MPH in traffic in Houston on the freeway. It did not result in anything remotely close to crash and die. I coasted over to the shoulder, thru traffic, carefully, stopped on the shoulder, popped the hood...wow, this wire is unplugged, then drove away.

Everyone wants everything that happens to them to be the responsibility of the closest entity with money.

The money is not the issue. Plus you're not the average consumer.

KMPrenger · 05-21-2014, 02:22 PM

I think GM is doing the right thing. The problem is the public perception, which was on the rise, is once again going into the toilet.

I have, and will continue to by GM without hesitation, but this is not good for the company. If they want to flush out everything on their radar and recall a crap ton of cars now, thats fine, but I hope for them that things settle down for a while. Toyota, Honda, or whatever other company may have big issues with some of their cars, but all the public knows is what they see in the craptastic media, and right now GM is getting it bad. So immediately everyone thinks dometic vehicles suck, and foreign is once again the superior automobile, just for the simple fact that its not american made. How sad is that mind set?

I just don't understand at all how some people can not give two rats about a company like GM failing, and some even root for it.

TxBandit911 · 05-21-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stoopid

While I agree 100% with some of these minor problems being recalled, there are many cases where there's dangerous known issues and manufacturers weigh whether fixing them via recall or battling X number of lawsuits costs them less. Since the outcome benefits the consumer, I'll always lean toward being recall crazy than have broken stuff being left on the market that can (and sometimes does) hurt or kill people.

The GM ignition and toyota acceleration issues are both linked to deaths. One or a thousand, it's one too many when it could have been prevented and the manufacturer consciously chose not to do anything about it.

I see what you're saying. I guess what I'm saying is, would anyone even know about the ignition switch problem if people had enough sense to not hang 5lbs of shit off their key ring and know enough about driving to have a remote clue of what to do if the engine dies? I mean, what if you run out of gas? Are you going to suddenly crash?

The media spun this shit in such a bad way its not even funny. Most of us are car people, so we see things a little different than those who are not. Example: a friend at work, not a car guy, all he knows about this stuff is what CNN told him and he wanted to argue with me (I'm a big time car guy and have built a few cars for track use) that if the engine dies in a car, the steering wheel will lock so you can't turn, and the transmission will lockup forcing you to go into an uncontrollable skid...

c5Legend · 05-21-2014, 02:26 PM

Chevy has never had my business before, they are lucky the Camaro looks so bad ass and its been treating me well.. other than that I'd probably never buy any GM vehicle aside from the Camaro.

TxBandit911 · 05-21-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I think GM is doing the right thing. The problem is the public perception, which was on the rise, is once again going into the toilet.

I have, and will continue to by GM without hesitation, but this is not good for the company. If they want to flush out everything on their radar and recall a crap ton of cars now, thats fine, but I hope for them that things settle down for a while. Toyota, Honda, or whatever other company may have big issues with some of their cars, but all the public knows is what they see in the craptastic media, and right now GM is getting it bad. So immediately everyone thinks dometic vehicles suck, and foreign is once again the superior automobile, just for the simple fact that its not american made. How sad is that mind set?

I just don't understand at all how some people can not give two rats about a company like GM failing, and some even root for it.

Exactly, where was the witch hunt for Toyota and their record safety recalls?

It doesn't take a really smart guy to see that who ever controls the media hates America and domestic companies. One world gov here we come, manipulate the opinion of the people and they will beg for it to happen

Also, this is about money, how many new law suits do you this will result in from people just wanting some free money?

05-20-2014, 07:55 PM	#15
MLL67RSSS Account Suspended Drives: car Join Date: May 2008 Location: location Posts: 1,569	I personally think it's refreshing how post-bankruptcy, post ignition switch debacle GM is responding. They don't HAVE to issue these latest recalls. No one is calling for it or forcing them to do it. By their latest actions with these recalls they're demonstrating "If there is any issue that relates to the quality and safety of our products let's nip it in the bud and get it fixed quickly without any government intervention forcing it." Way to go GM!!! They're demonstrating the quality and safety of their products are more important than some more bad publicity the media will slant and distort. It's not Toyota foot-dragging for months and months and trying to blame floor mats until the NHTSA FORCED them to issue a recall for faulty accelerator and firmware issues. Don't know if you recall but the ONLY reason Toyota FINALLY took action was because they had to stop selling the affected cars. BTW: I pretty sure someone seems to thinks there are shill GM reps paid to post things like this and I may be one of them. HILARIOUS!!!!!!! Please remove your tinfoil hat!!! Not that I couldn't use some extra money. My hours got cut back a few weeks ago. Our Family currently has 4 Chevrolets with over 130K miles. My 2000 S-10 has never been in the shop, my wife's '99 Lumina 3.8L LTZ has been in once for a new Mass Air thingy, and my son's '98 3.1L Lumina he beats on delivering sandwiches has so far been trouble free, sure goes through brakes and tires though. (If I WAS GM I'd probably have a new Camaro and not have a 15 model year old car as my newest vehicle. LOL) EDIT: OH Crap forgot, wife's drivers rear power window quit working a little while ago. Probably something simple once I get a chance to check it out. EDIT II: Shoot forgot another after about 137K miles my sons Lumina had to have the harmonic balancer replaced and I had to fix his window switch once. Last edited by MLL67RSSS; 05-21-2014 at 08:10 AM.

05-21-2014, 02:22 PM	#25
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,967	I think GM is doing the right thing. The problem is the public perception, which was on the rise, is once again going into the toilet. I have, and will continue to by GM without hesitation, but this is not good for the company. If they want to flush out everything on their radar and recall a crap ton of cars now, thats fine, but I hope for them that things settle down for a while. Toyota, Honda, or whatever other company may have big issues with some of their cars, but all the public knows is what they see in the craptastic media, and right now GM is getting it bad. So immediately everyone thinks dometic vehicles suck, and foreign is once again the superior automobile, just for the simple fact that its not american made. How sad is that mind set? I just don't understand at all how some people can not give two rats about a company like GM failing, and some even root for it. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

05-21-2014, 02:26 PM	#27
c5Legend Camaro5 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: WA Posts: 1,155	Chevy has never had my business before, they are lucky the Camaro looks so bad ass and its been treating me well.. other than that I'd probably never buy any GM vehicle aside from the Camaro. __________________ My Build '11 Chrysler 300 Limited / '10 Camaro 2LT

05-21-2014, 08:35 AM	#19
MLL67RSSS Account Suspended Drives: car Join Date: May 2008 Location: location Posts: 1,569	Not as much energy as you do bashing them. I know, you must work for Ford and are paid to post derogatory posts and threads on a Camaro site. How much are they paying you? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Boy you sure are gaining quite a ahhh,,, reputation here...

05-21-2014, 02:10 PM	#22
TxBandit911 Call Me"Doc" Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 1LE BLACK Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ft Riley, Kansas Posts: 890	I still can't get over how narrow peoples comfort zones are now... I've driven plenty of POS cars in my life that had inside door handles that didn't work, no power steering, no airbags, holes rotted thru the floor, engines that could and did die at random times. Guess what? I'm still alive and have never crashed after 22yrs of driving. Matter of fact, I owned a '98 dodge Dakota 5.9 R/T and it had this problem where the ignition wire would pop off the coil sometimes. That resulted in the engine dying. First time it happened to me, I was doing 70MPH in traffic in Houston on the freeway. It did not result in anything remotely close to crash and die. I coasted over to the shoulder, thru traffic, carefully, stopped on the shoulder, popped the hood...wow, this wire is unplugged, then drove away. Everyone wants everything that happens to them to be the responsibility of the closest entity with money.