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FenwickHockey65 · 11-09-2013, 12:18 PM

Lincoln has it in them. They just fail at executing every single time. MKZ is a really really nice car. It's just not up to par with Cadillac or the Germans.

Chrysler, who knows what's going on there.

*DGthe3* · 11-09-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Lincoln has it in them. They just fail at executing every single time. MKZ is a really really nice car. It's just not up to par with Cadillac or the Germans.

Chrysler, who knows what's going on there.

Lincoln has a ways to go before they can think of competing with the Germans. Caddilac only just got there in terms of product, but I imagine they are still a bit behind in terms of brand image and consideration in the luxury segment. Not too far, but perception always lags behind product. Lincoln feels much more like a Buick/Acura/Infinity type brand: lets rework an affordable car and call it luxury. I know it used to compete higher in the market, but thats the general feeling of the brand at the moment.

Chrysler ... I don't think the folks in charge at Chrysler-Fiat actually care about the Chrysler brand. Just another outlet for them to sell cars through, no passion about what the brand is or what it could be.

72MachOne99GT · 11-09-2013, 06:20 PM

What amazes me is that Cadillac went from old people cars with basically nothing different than Lincoln, to a greatly improved product line with goals of beating Germans all over the battlefield.

Sure it took awhile but good job. Definitely an impressive turn around.

Dont get me wrong, im a ford guy and like me some awd tt lincoln...but I dont see how th3y sell any of 'em

King T · 11-09-2013, 06:58 PM

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The only concern I have with the car is the price. Yes, it's competitive with the E class and 5 series now for base price, but I'm just not sure I could go $63,000 for a V-sport. But that may also frame the ATS V or V-sport when and if it comes out. Seems like they are setting up the ATS V to be what the "old" CTS V was for price.

The VSport is priced competitively when compare to the cars in its class:

2014 Cadillac CTS VSport
3.6L Twin Turbo V6 420hp/430 lb-ft
8-Speed Auto
3,966 lbs
$59,995

2014 Mercedes-Benz E550
4.6L BiTurbo V8 402hp/443 lb-ft
7-Speed Auto
4,409 lbs
$61,400

2014 Audi S6
4.0L Twin Turbo V8 420hp/406 lb-ft
7-Speed DCT
4,398 lbs
$73,400

2014 BMW 550i
4.4L Twin Turbo V8 445hp/480 lb-ft
8-Speed Auto
4,365 lbs
$63,900

2014 Jaguar XF Supercharged
5.0L Supercharged V8 470hp/424 lb-ft
8-Speed Auto
4,134 lbs
$68,100

2014 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport
3.5L V6 306hp/277 lb-ft
8-Speed
3,795 lbs
$53,280

2014 Infiniti M56
5.6L V8 420hp/417 lb-ft
7-Speed Auto
4,136 lbs
$61,200

mikeyg36 · 11-09-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Love to see Caddy field such good cars. Now we just need Ford and Chrysler to play catch up in this segment. I'd love to see a day when foreign cars only compete at the bottom end of the market.

I think Lincoln can do it, but Chrysler.... no. Wasn't there a rumor that they were going to kill off Dodge and just focus on Chrysler?

Number 3 · 11-09-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King T

The VSport is priced competitively when compare to the cars in its class:

2014 Cadillac CTS VSport
3.6L Twin Turbo V6 420hp/430 lb-ft
8-Speed Auto
3,966 lbs
$59,995

2014 Mercedes-Benz E550
4.6L BiTurbo V8 402hp/443 lb-ft
7-Speed Auto
4,409 lbs
$61,400

2014 Audi S6
4.0L Twin Turbo V8 420hp/406 lb-ft
7-Speed DCT
4,398 lbs
$73,400

2014 BMW 550i
4.4L Twin Turbo V8 445hp/480 lb-ft
8-Speed Auto
4,365 lbs
$63,900

2014 Jaguar XF Supercharged
5.0L Supercharged V8 470hp/424 lb-ft
8-Speed Auto
4,134 lbs
$68,100

2014 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport
3.5L V6 306hp/277 lb-ft
8-Speed
3,795 lbs
$53,280

2014 Infiniti M56
5.6L V8 420hp/417 lb-ft
7-Speed Auto
4,136 lbs
$61,200

Yes I know it's competitive. But simply looking at Cadillac's lineup it is a HUGE jump from an ATS to a CTS.

*DGthe3* · 11-09-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Yes I know it's competitive. But simply looking at Cadillac's lineup it is a HUGE jump from an ATS to a CTS.

Only 4 grand from a no-options ATS 3.6 to a no-options CTS 2.0T, little less than 10% of their MSRP. Thats not too bad.

trademaster · 11-10-2013, 04:26 AM

When is the vBulletin, "like" feature going to be incorporated into this forum?

I am very glad to see Cadillac doing so well. It's amazing how far the Big Three have come since 2008. Bravo to all.

chain777 · 11-10-2013, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

Only 4 grand from a no-options ATS 3.6 to a no-options CTS 2.0T, little less than 10% of their MSRP. Thats not too bad.

But an apples to apples comparison of a 2.0T ATS to a 2.0T CTS is 9 grand, or 25%. That's a big difference.

mikeyg36 · 11-10-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Yes I know it's competitive. But simply looking at Cadillac's lineup it is a HUGE jump from an ATS to a CTS.

It's the same jump from a C class to an E class, and a 3 series to a 5 series.

Number 3 · 11-10-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyg36

It's the same jump from a C class to an E class, and a 3 series to a 5 series.

I get that but I guess my concern is if Cadillac can pull it off.

shaffe · 11-11-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Lincoln has it in them. They just fail at executing every single time. MKZ is a really really nice car. It's just not up to par with Cadillac or the Germans.

Chrysler, who knows what's going on there.

Yep, I am more of a Ford fan, but Lincoln cant compete with Cadillac, let alone any of the germans, I would love to see a bad ass Lincoln, but they just cant seem to execute it.

Stew · 11-11-2013, 11:30 AM

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I think Lincoln can do it, but Chrysler.... no. Wasn't there a rumor that they were going to kill off Dodge and just focus on Chrysler?

That rumor was false and nothing ever came from it. What I see happening is Chrysler going upscale from Dodge, but not as high as Cadillac. Chrysler IMHO would, and should, tackle Buick. IMHO, Alfa will be the one to take on Caddy.

Lincoln is a tough one. they had a great start with the LS, then they let it stagnate and then just abandoned it altogether. In the early 2000s it was actully looking like Lincoln would be the one to run with the imports, but that quickly died and Cadillac quickly took the gaunlet, ran with it, and look where they are today.

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