Oh come on now GM... - Page 2

JewelZ · 06-08-2009, 05:58 PM

haha

GrnMchin · 06-08-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIcky

Those TDI's are insane for mileage. That car is probably the most underrated for mpg of any car I've seen. Gov't gives them 30/41 but everyone I know who has one is pulling closer to 35/50 in honest mileage.

I was looking and almost bought, but then came the Camaro and well you know the rest. I will look again when our all season daily drive get close to replacement time. I would say the Gov under rates for sure. My friend loves his to death and stands by the 40-50 mpg range. I was on a diesel form and found a guy getting 30 on his Duramax after a few mods.

*The_Blur* · 06-08-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

That was a true statement, and a valid concern back when the decisions they reference were made...I think there's a context issue here, either at LaNeve's fault, or the publication.

As for diesel itself....the new diesel emissions standards require these engines to be approx. $4000 more expensive than a similarly-powered gas engine...plus...coupled with the traditionally higher price of diesel, and a perceived dirty/noisey characteristic of the engine....not a lot of American consumers favor it.

I still think they should do it. Push hard into the market, and advertise like the devil...it'll catch on eventually, and they'll be the go-to company for it.

I couldn't agree more. If GM could make diesel an option for some cars immediately, they could directly compete with some cars already offering that technology. Some people prefer diesel in their vehicles. That is especially true of some friends of mine who are into trucks.

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Originally Posted by MrIcky

That's an interesting point on the $4000 more per engine. I had heard the same number but I can't remember where. However VW is making a profit on their Jetta TDI and option for option it's only $1800 over the 2.5 5 cylinder (they won't disclose the actual profit, but apparently it's a tidy sum).

I wonder if that 4000 was before they had some systems in place to beat the new requirements?

I wonder if the difference was included in the price for the gas engine. That would make the diesel seem more lucrative.

Hesh · 06-09-2009, 04:52 PM

As an owner of a VW TDI vehicle I will say the mileage is unbelievable. On the other hand the maintience and the repair cost for anything that goes wrong with them is a death sentence. The cost of repairs and upkeep has killed the offset for the increase in mileage. I get around 43mpg out of a 13 gallon tank which is great, but all the repairs and the maintience alone is freaking high. This car has been a major pain in my ass and because of all its problems Id never own another VW again. For that fact this will be my first and last foriegn car ever in this house. Once my wife is out of nursing school in about 1.5 years her Toyota is gone( even tho no problems out of her car) so she can get the new Equinox. So two less foreign cars on the road, and back to GM for me.

MrIcky · 06-10-2009, 03:22 PM

That's too bad on your repair cost issues. I know VW can be all over the place with their reliability. As some people like to point out, the industry average is something like 1.1 repairs per vehicle- but I think in VW's case it's more like 4 vehicles run fine and the 5th needs 5.5 repairs.

Hesh · 06-10-2009, 09:50 PM

Yeah if you look up their histroy of reliablity, its not real high on anyones list. Wish there would have been more reports on it before I bought the damn thing. Oh well, live and learn.

rrohde · 06-12-2009, 07:49 AM

I am in Europe, and I drive a Diesel Hyundai Tucson. And yes, it is true that there's a "Diesel craze" going on over here. However, since Diesel is cheaper here as well, the state gets his money anyway - by jacking up the car tax that you pay each year (mind you, car tax in Europe is mainly based on engine displacement - the 'liters' and emissions). So, you might have a car that uses cheaper gas, but you pay higher taxes.

And - Diesel cars do get annoying after a while - they're noisy! They idle like a tractor, too. I have to admit - the longer I am stuck with a Diesel, the more I want a quiet gasoline based car. Preferably a Hybrid for inner-city stop-and-go smoothness. But that's another story...

Long story short - my next car will be a gasoline based car.

Cheers,
Rainer

Hesh · 06-12-2009, 10:36 AM

Well the VW is a dead turd in the drive. Sounds like the driver side cv jont is going out. Ill now leave it in the drive until the Camaro comes in and drive it to the dealer for trade. I dont care what they give me for it just want it gone. HURRY UP MY PRECIOUS!!!!

06-08-2009, 05:58 PM	#15
JewelZ Just Lovin' My Camaro! Drives: CGM 2LT/RS/AUTO Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: san antonio, tx Posts: 1,325	haha __________________ CGM( GRAY 2 tone interior ) 2LT/RS/AUTO NJHKKM $29,965.00 1EH37 1100 03/28/2009 AFF, B34, DCP, FE9, GBV, LLT, MX0, SGC, UQA, WRS, 2LT 50 YEARS FROM NOW, DON'T YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND SAY YOU HAD THE GUTS TO GET INTO THE CAR!?!? ORDER STATUS : 6000 as of 08.18.2009. VIN# 33,985!!! His name is 'GOLIATH'!!! GOT MY CAR!!!! AND I LOVE IT!!!!

06-09-2009, 04:52 PM	#18
Hesh Drives: 2010 IOM Camaro Vin 34334 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 566	As an owner of a VW TDI vehicle I will say the mileage is unbelievable. On the other hand the maintience and the repair cost for anything that goes wrong with them is a death sentence. The cost of repairs and upkeep has killed the offset for the increase in mileage. I get around 43mpg out of a 13 gallon tank which is great, but all the repairs and the maintience alone is freaking high. This car has been a major pain in my ass and because of all its problems Id never own another VW again. For that fact this will be my first and last foriegn car ever in this house. Once my wife is out of nursing school in about 1.5 years her Toyota is gone( even tho no problems out of her car) so she can get the new Equinox. So two less foreign cars on the road, and back to GM for me. Last edited by Hesh; 06-10-2009 at 11:18 AM.

06-10-2009, 03:22 PM	#19
MrIcky Drives: Dodge Ram Megacab & Cobalt SS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boise Posts: 1,536	That's too bad on your repair cost issues. I know VW can be all over the place with their reliability. As some people like to point out, the industry average is something like 1.1 repairs per vehicle- but I think in VW's case it's more like 4 vehicles run fine and the 5th needs 5.5 repairs.

06-10-2009, 09:50 PM	#20
Hesh Drives: 2010 IOM Camaro Vin 34334 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 566	Yeah if you look up their histroy of reliablity, its not real high on anyones list. Wish there would have been more reports on it before I bought the damn thing. Oh well, live and learn.

06-12-2009, 07:49 AM	#21
rrohde Drives: Hyundai Tucson Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Grand Duchy of Luxembourg Posts: 10	I am in Europe, and I drive a Diesel Hyundai Tucson. And yes, it is true that there's a "Diesel craze" going on over here. However, since Diesel is cheaper here as well, the state gets his money anyway - by jacking up the car tax that you pay each year (mind you, car tax in Europe is mainly based on engine displacement - the 'liters' and emissions). So, you might have a car that uses cheaper gas, but you pay higher taxes. And - Diesel cars do get annoying after a while - they're noisy! They idle like a tractor, too. I have to admit - the longer I am stuck with a Diesel, the more I want a quiet gasoline based car. Preferably a Hybrid for inner-city stop-and-go smoothness. But that's another story... Long story short - my next car will be a gasoline based car. Cheers, Rainer

06-12-2009, 10:36 AM	#22
Hesh Drives: 2010 IOM Camaro Vin 34334 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 566	Well the VW is a dead turd in the drive. Sounds like the driver side cv jont is going out. Ill now leave it in the drive until the Camaro comes in and drive it to the dealer for trade. I dont care what they give me for it just want it gone. HURRY UP MY PRECIOUS!!!!