Spied a better look at 2014 Silverado!

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

The new Silverado will launch in 2013 along with the new C7 Corvette- So long F150 and Ford truck sales.

As a quote from one of your other rather blind fanboi threads, "Ford is not worried."

The new F150 comes out as a 2014 model in mid to late 2013 too.

I am sure that these new trucks from GM will be awesome, I can't wait till 2014 when I am due for a new DD and can shop them both. (Current 2011 f150 DD owner)

[huggercamaro21]

Hey Fen, do you know when the truck is officially going to be announced.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

Hey Fen, do you know when the truck is officially going to be announced.

We have Chicago in two weeks, New York in April (I think) and LA later in the year. Of course, truck manufacturers have also released products at the Texas State Fair.

Fairly sure the updated Lambdas will be shown at Chicago. Perhaps a "concept" K2XX will be there as well, who knows. GM is keeping a very tight lid on the program, all I know for sure are SORP dates. Powertrains, design, specs/capacities, all is still more or less speculation.

[Russell James]

That XM radio antenna wart on the roof needs to go. Or at least move it to the rear center. Better yet, make it optional so if you have no intention of ever paying for satellite radio you don't get forced into buying the equipment.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by Russell James

That XM radio antenna wart on the roof needs to go. Or at least move it to the rear center. Better yet, make it optional so if you have no intention of ever paying for satellite radio you don't get forced into buying the equipment.

As of a while ago It has been optional on work trucks.. Same with power locks and windows.

[upflying]

Let's hope the new Silverado will include a 1/2 ton diesel.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by TheCaptain

I know trucks are workhorses and everything, but isn't going more boxy less aerodynamic (read less fuel economy) then moving to a more aero advanced design?

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Would have to ask some one familiar with fluid dynamics... but it would make sense to me that more boxy = more drag and less efficiency.

I'm not an aero expert either but I do know that there's far more at play than brick vs egg. There are a lot of things that may seem like they're important to the average person but in reality, they play a small role. Meanwhile, seemingly inconsequential items can be critical to the overall efficiency. I don't know what these things are, but I know that peculiarities like that exist.

You also have to factor in how the entire chain of 'flow events' (I just made that term up by the way) occurs. It might be beneficial to make a bit of a sacrifice in one spot so that you can reduce the airflow to another point of particularly high drag elsewhere. And of course, when someone buys a truck, they want it to look like a truck. An extra half an mpg on the highway is probably worth less to customers than looking like the truckiest truck that ever trucked.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by xXSilencerXx

You do realize it's dumb to think comparing the Chevy/Ford sales rather than the GM/Ford sales is an accurate representation of who sells more?

How do you assume this? The Silverado and Sierra and marketed as 2 seperate trucks under 2 seperate nameplates, as is the F-150. Silverado,, vs Sierra, vs f-150 IS the correct way to do the sales, not compining multiple nameplates just to say 2 trucks with their own distinct sheetmetal sold under 2 totally seperate brands outsell one......When it comes to midsize cars, should we combine Avalon, Camry, and Lexus ES350 sales together since under the skin they are basically the same car????????? How about combining Taurus, MKS, MKT, Flex, and Volvo S80 sales together since they are all the same under the skin? Or maybe all but the Volvo since they are all sold under the Ford name?

[Stew]

As for the new GM trucks, i am most excited to see the new powertrains, and am intrigued by the prospect of them knocking a few hunred pounds from the curb weight. should be interesting!

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by Stew

How do you assume this? The Silverado and Sierra and marketed as 2 seperate trucks under 2 seperate nameplates, as is the F-150. Silverado,, vs Sierra, vs f-150 IS the correct way to do the sales, not compining multiple nameplates just to say 2 trucks with their own distinct sheetmetal sold under 2 totally seperate brands outsell one......When it comes to midsize cars, should we combine Avalon, Camry, and Lexus ES350 sales together since under the skin they are basically the same car????????? How about combining Taurus, MKS, MKT, Flex, and Volvo S80 sales together since they are all the same under the skin? Or maybe all but the Volvo since they are all sold under the Ford name?

These trucks are literally almost identical. In their current state that is.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by shank0668

These trucks are literally almost identical. In their current state that is.

That changed quite a bit with the 07 models though. Each has their own identity and look, each has a different target with the Silverado targeting the mainstream and work truck buyers, while the Sierra, with it's Denali models, etc, is targeted more upscale, besides each is specifically sold under completely different brands.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Stew

How do you assume this? The Silverado and Sierra and marketed as 2 seperate trucks under 2 seperate nameplates, as is the F-150. Silverado,, vs Sierra, vs f-150 IS the correct way to do the sales, not compining multiple nameplates just to say 2 trucks with their own distinct sheetmetal sold under 2 totally seperate brands outsell one......When it comes to midsize cars, should we combine Avalon, Camry, and Lexus ES350 sales together since under the skin they are basically the same car????????? How about combining Taurus, MKS, MKT, Flex, and Volvo S80 sales together since they are all the same under the skin? Or maybe all but the Volvo since they are all sold under the Ford name?

The Silverado & Sierra buyers might be a little different, but they're not nearly as different as entry level vs luxury car. They're marketed to different parts of the same buyer pool. And if you want to point out to the Sierra Denali as being a reason why GMC sales shouldn't be included, well than how about branching off the F-150 Lariat or or Ram 1500 Laramie? Those trucks serve the exact same function as the Denali, but they are from Ford and Dodge. Or what about the F-150 Raptor? Its still an F-150, but it is much more different in terms of capabilities and target buyer compared to a regular F-150 than the Silverado & Sierra are.

Then of course you have the half tons vs the HD/Super Dutys. For Ford, as long as the truck's name starts with an 'F' its part of the 'F-Series'. I think GM does the same thing with Silverado & Sierra sales. But my point is, an F-150 with a single cab, V6, and RWD is an extremely different buyer than someone who gets an F-450 King Ranch with a crew cab, 4x4, diesel and dualies. The gap between those two trucks is much, much larger than the gap between any pair of comparable Silverados & Sierras.

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The Silverado & Sierra buyers might be a little different, but they're not nearly as different as entry level vs luxury car. They're marketed to different parts of the same buyer pool. And if you want to point out to the Sierra Denali as being a reason why GMC sales shouldn't be included, well than how about branching off the F-150 Lariat or or Ram 1500 Laramie? Those trucks serve the exact same function as the Denali, but they are from Ford and Dodge. Or what about the F-150 Raptor? Its still an F-150, but it is much more different in terms of capabilities and target buyer compared to a regular F-150 than the Silverado & Sierra are.

Then of course you have the half tons vs the HD/Super Dutys. For Ford, as long as the truck's name starts with an 'F' its part of the 'F-Series'. I think GM does the same thing with Silverado & Sierra sales. But my point is, an F-150 with a single cab, V6, and RWD is an extremely different buyer than someone who gets an F-450 King Ranch with a crew cab, 4x4, diesel and dualies. The gap between those two trucks is much, much larger than the gap between any pair of comparable Silverados & Sierras.

How would the Ford gap be any different than the gap between a Chevy, regular cab, 2wd and a Denali 3500, crew cab, duramax, dually, 4wd?

There is near 40k in price difference between these 2 trucks on the GM side, more if you go up to a 4500 series to compare it to the f450.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo

How would the Ford gap be any different than the gap between a Chevy, regular cab, 2wd and a Denali 3500, crew cab, duramax, dually, 4wd?

There is near 40k in price difference between these 2 trucks on the GM side, more if you go up to a 4500 series to compare it to the f450.

Thats true, but its not my point. Stew said that since Silverado's and Sierra's appeal to different customers, their sales cannot be added together. I countered with the fact that the difference in customers between the basic work truck and a top of the line model is far greater than the difference between GMC's and Chevy's.

Think of it this way: a Silverado 1500 buyer has more in common with a Sierra 1500 buyer than he has with a Silverado 3500 buyer. Its alright to add up the sales for all the different versions of Silverado (or Ram, or Sierra, or F-Series), despite the huge range that the lineup covers. And yet for some reason, nearly identical customers buying nearly identical trucks from a GMC dealership, for nearly the same price, can't get added in to compare against Ford's F-Series that competes directly with both the Sierra and Silverado, and even covers more truck niches than GM does with its 2 brands (like the F-150 Raptor and the F-450 King Ranch)