New Car MPG Politics - Page 2

Hesh · 03-27-2009, 10:57 AM

Actually by law all two strokes are being phased out and not made anymore. You wont be able to buy them at all very soon. When they run out then there is no more.

69Firebird · 03-27-2009, 11:15 AM

Reportedly the White House will bump MPG standards by %8 by 2011.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/27/r...-by-8-by-2011/

Could mean bad news for our V8's. We'll have to see what GM will do.

rolnslo · 03-27-2009, 11:28 AM

Why do people keep missing the point that this is the average fleet fuel economy number?

Take an SS @ 21mpg avg, pair it with two Cobalt XFEs @ 31mpg avg and your overall fleet average is 27.6mpg. Throw in a Volt and you're way over the target mpg.

As long as small cars outsell less fuel efficient V8 sports cars, GM won't have any problem meeting this new target.

Joe Remi · 03-27-2009, 11:33 AM

CAFE is a product-line average. If they build enough Volts, 37MPG Cobalts, 40MPG Kruzes and 29MPG Camaros, I think the 25MPG SS is safe. I don't agree with the screw-Cali-let's-blow-blue-smoke crowd. Driving cars that emit pollution and use gas is a privilege and a responsibility. If we can pull this off cleaner and more efficiently, we should.

(Looking forward to my 2014 Turbo-4/plug-in hybrid Camaro. Camaro Volt RS!)

Aah, I see I ran the highway numbers. But I agree with Rolnslo, it still works.

Supermans · 03-27-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Remi

CAFE is a product-line average. If they build enough Volts, 37MPG Cobalts, 40MPG Kruzes and 29MPG Camaros, I think the 25MPG SS is safe. I don't agree with the screw-Cali-let's-blow-blue-smoke crowd. Driving cars that emit pollution and use gas is a privilege and a responsibility. If we can pull this off cleaner and more efficiently, we should.

(Looking forward to my 2014 Turbo-4/plug-in hybrid Camaro. Camaro Volt RS!)

Aah, I see I ran the highway numbers. But I agree with Rolnslo, it still works.

Even if man made global warming is jst a myth and the Earth is actually in a cooling phase?

Joe Remi · 03-27-2009, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supermans

Even if man made global warming is jst a myth and the Earth is actually in a cooling phase?

Um, yeah. Debating warming/cooling theories doesn't change the fact that internal combustion engines produce pollution and consume a finite resource. If we can get it to work while producing and consuming less, why not?

Inspector 17 · 03-27-2009, 12:06 PM

http://www.freep.com/article/2009032...onomy+standard

AZCamaroFan · 03-27-2009, 12:06 PM

Use to live in California. Most beautiful place to live. Unfortunately it's taken over by nuts and foreigners. Hopefully they will get their way, pass more insane laws, and the Car Companies will just pull out of there , like all other businesses do.

Xmicro_SS · 03-27-2009, 12:09 PM

The age of the V8 Muscle car is coming to an end....one of the main reasons I am getting my Camaro now, before they pussify it to get 40 MPG.

nester7929 · 03-27-2009, 12:21 PM

From the article:

"The long-expected rule poses no hurdle for the industry, as it’s 0.3 m.p.g. higher that the average of cars and trucks sold in the 2008 model year. That average is expected to continue rising, since all major automakers have committed to building more efficient models in the face of uncertain fuel prices and tougher regulations."

Yeah, it puts a bit of strain on the automakers, but with the DI and Ecoboost engines being used in more and more vehicles, I don't think it poses much of a threat. Besides, the Volt alone will push GM's overall MPG rating up by 1 or so when it launches.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-27-2009, 12:28 PM

This isn't really "news". The standard of 35 by 2020 was set last year. GM as a whole may be a little bit lower, but I know for a fact that as of last year, CHEVROLET had a average mpg rating of 27.5x...so this isn't too bad...yet.

And so long as the gov't compensates the Industry with the likes of that $25 billion set aside for "green" vehicles. I personally, don't have a problem with it...I agree with the theory...just not the execution, if that makes any sense. :(

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-27-2009, 12:35 PM

The Camaro will be fine. Remember -- this is FLEET avg. fuel economy. So alll the vehicles must be factored in to meet this standard. With the likes of the Cruze @ 40+mpg, and the Volt at 100+mpg....GM should still be capable of producing fun cars that people want.

(That's not to say that I agree with this dookie that is CAFE.....

)

arozar · 03-27-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolnslo

Why do people keep missing the point that this is the average fleet fuel economy number?

Take an SS @ 21mpg avg, pair it with two Cobalt XFEs @ 31mpg avg and your overall fleet average is 27.6mpg. Throw in a Volt and you're way over the target mpg.

As long as small cars outsell less fuel efficient V8 sports cars, GM won't have any problem meeting this new target.

You are very correct!!! No worries about the vette, or camaro!!

Xanthos · 03-27-2009, 12:52 PM

I'd rather see lower emissions than higher gas mileage any day.

Instead of mandating these higher CAFE standards, how about we mandate more E85 vehicles? And put the money into the industry to get more E85 pumps running?

Personally, I don't run anything other than the 10% ethanol in my car because of the lower emissions.
- Xanthos

03-27-2009, 11:15 AM	#16
69Firebird Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 275 View My Garage	Reportedly the White House will bump MPG standards by %8 by 2011. http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/27/r...-by-8-by-2011/ Could mean bad news for our V8's. We'll have to see what GM will do. __________________ *Delivered 8/4/09: Black on Black 2SS/RS, LS3, CGM Stripes, Polished Upgrade* K&N Typhoon Intake, Stainless Works 3" Catback w/ S-Tube Turbo Mufflers

03-27-2009, 11:33 AM	#18
Joe Remi Drives: '17 Impala V6 LT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Novato CA. Posts: 323	CAFE is a product-line average. If they build enough Volts, 37MPG Cobalts, 40MPG Kruzes and 29MPG Camaros, I think the 25MPG SS is safe. I don't agree with the screw-Cali-let's-blow-blue-smoke crowd. Driving cars that emit pollution and use gas is a privilege and a responsibility. If we can pull this off cleaner and more efficiently, we should. (Looking forward to my 2014 Turbo-4/plug-in hybrid Camaro. Camaro Volt RS!) Aah, I see I ran the highway numbers. But I agree with Rolnslo, it still works. Last edited by Joe Remi; 03-27-2009 at 12:47 PM.

03-27-2009, 12:06 PM	#21
Inspector 17 I love crepes Drives: 2017 ZL1 NGM A10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,955 View My Garage	Obama unveils 2011 fuel economy standard http://www.freep.com/article/2009032...onomy+standard

03-27-2009, 12:28 PM	#25
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	This isn't really "news". The standard of 35 by 2020 was set last year. GM as a whole may be a little bit lower, but I know for a fact that as of last year, CHEVROLET had a average mpg rating of 27.5x...so this isn't too bad...yet. And so long as the gov't compensates the Industry with the likes of that $25 billion set aside for "green" vehicles. I personally, don't have a problem with it...I agree with the theory...just not the execution, if that makes any sense. :( __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

03-27-2009, 12:35 PM	#26
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	The Camaro will be fine. Remember -- this is FLEET avg. fuel economy. So alll the vehicles must be factored in to meet this standard. With the likes of the Cruze @ 40+mpg, and the Volt at 100+mpg....GM should still be capable of producing fun cars that people want. (That's not to say that I agree with this dookie that is CAFE.....) __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

03-27-2009, 10:57 AM	#15
Hesh Drives: 2010 IOM Camaro Vin 34334 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 566	Actually by law all two strokes are being phased out and not made anymore. You wont be able to buy them at all very soon. When they run out then there is no more.

03-27-2009, 11:28 AM	#17
rolnslo Rolling along... Drives: 2011 2SS/RS SGM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,366 View My Garage	Why do people keep missing the point that this is the average fleet fuel economy number? Take an SS @ 21mpg avg, pair it with two Cobalt XFEs @ 31mpg avg and your overall fleet average is 27.6mpg. Throw in a Volt and you're way over the target mpg. As long as small cars outsell less fuel efficient V8 sports cars, GM won't have any problem meeting this new target.

03-27-2009, 12:06 PM	#22
AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,468	Use to live in California. Most beautiful place to live. Unfortunately it's taken over by nuts and foreigners. Hopefully they will get their way, pass more insane laws, and the Car Companies will just pull out of there , like all other businesses do.

03-27-2009, 12:09 PM	#23
Xmicro_SS Thank You GM Drives: Sky Redline & Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,876	The age of the V8 Muscle car is coming to an end....one of the main reasons I am getting my Camaro now, before they pussify it to get 40 MPG.

03-27-2009, 12:21 PM	#24
nester7929 Rice Harvester Drives: 2014 Bright Yellow 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Plainview, TX Posts: 1,449	From the article: "The long-expected rule poses no hurdle for the industry, as it’s 0.3 m.p.g. higher that the average of cars and trucks sold in the 2008 model year. That average is expected to continue rising, since all major automakers have committed to building more efficient models in the face of uncertain fuel prices and tougher regulations." Yeah, it puts a bit of strain on the automakers, but with the DI and Ecoboost engines being used in more and more vehicles, I don't think it poses much of a threat. Besides, the Volt alone will push GM's overall MPG rating up by 1 or so when it launches.

03-27-2009, 12:52 PM	#28
Xanthos PWA Relapse Drives: Formerly-Stick Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 12,588 View My Garage	I'd rather see lower emissions than higher gas mileage any day. Instead of mandating these higher CAFE standards, how about we mandate more E85 vehicles? And put the money into the industry to get more E85 pumps running? Personally, I don't run anything other than the 10% ethanol in my car because of the lower emissions. - Xanthos __________________ 2017 1LT/RS A8 Hyper Blue Metallic

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