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[Lumix]

Originally Posted by ssump29

That one was a special one done by Fabrizio Giugiaro designer from italy. That was never a design done by Ford, and that one along was said to be like 300,000 or so if they did the mustang exactly like that with everything that car consisted of. It was pretty much a supercar mustang.

heres a link for more information when that was going around the auto world.

http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive...g-by-giugiaro/

That link explains a lot. May not be possible, but I would have thought they would use some of the design aesthetics for the next generation mustang. It looks so much better than the current car...

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Wow sucks for the new GT500 with a rumored price going up to around 60,000. I mean when will the madness stop, from both Ford and Chevy. You just can't be asking for that kind of money for a Camaro or Mustang, I mean really come on. I don't care how much power they make, they don't belong in that price range with other cars that command that price tag.

Yes.

But it seems that all vehicle prices are going. I drive an f150 as a DD, and I follow their pricing closely as I was beating around the bush on a new one. Their MSRP goes up about 300 bucks every 3 months or so. It's getting to be ridiculous.

And for 60k, I would not get a Camaro or Mustang. But there are certainly people out there that will or they wouldn't build them i guess.

[wbt]

This is more relevant info:

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/0...in-horsepower/

[Blue Maro Demon]

Pretty much Ford is screwed unless they are going to change the design up significantly. I think Chevrolet is going to deliver a punch in 2015 with a updated design, lighter body and release the Z28 for the new alpha body to get even more buyers that are waiting on the Z28's arrival.

[Cam#7]

Originally Posted by wbt

This is more relevant info:

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/0...in-horsepower/

That's the first I've heard of Ford doing a 2013 Mustang refresh. It's probably safe to say the Camaro will also get a 2013 refresh.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo

Yes.

But it seems that all vehicle prices are going. I drive an f150 as a DD, and I follow their pricing closely as I was beating around the bush on a new one. Their MSRP goes up about 300 bucks every 3 months or so. It's getting to be ridiculous.

And for 60k, I would not get a Camaro or Mustang. But there are certainly people out there that will or they wouldn't build them i guess.

Main cause is inflation. 3.6% (latest figure i could find for inflation) of $30k (average price of a new vehicle) is $1080. Add to that the fact that steel prices are climbing faster than inflation and it shouldn't be a surprise that they're going by $300 every few months

Originally Posted by Cam#7

That's the first I've heard of Ford doing a 2013 Mustang refresh. It's probably safe to say the Camaro will also get a 2013 refresh.

Refreshing a car that you're going to redesign in 2 years doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It has to be out long enough to recoup the cost invested in it.

[Zabo]

Aww.. I thought they were canceling it and going with a FWD coupe version to satisfy euros. :(

[5thGenOwner]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Main cause is inflation. 3.6% (latest figure i could find for inflation) of $30k (average price of a new vehicle) is $1080. Add to that the fact that steel prices are climbing faster than inflation and it shouldn't be a surprise that they're going by $300 every few months


Refreshing a car that you're going to redesign in 2 years doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It has to be out long enough to recoup the cost invested in it.

Add to all of that... new technology, which is less and less becoming an option you can opt-out of. Gadgets, doohickeys, gizmos, and widgets all cost money to make. And whether it is (unnecessarily) mandated or not, there is always profit added on top of the actual cost.


Anyone remember when you could still buy a brand new car under $10k?

[wbt]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Refreshing a car that you're going to redesign in 2 years doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It has to be out long enough to recoup the cost invested in it.

Not sure I agree. It wouldn't take Ford much to make those changes. There isn't any extra tooling required except for some minor revisions to the rear quarter panels and then they may be able to get away with a rear fascia change.

Hood and front fascia are already available from their supplier. Not much change on how it mounts.

This sounds viable to me.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by wbt

Not sure I agree. It wouldn't take Ford much to make those changes. There isn't any extra tooling required except for some minor revisions to the rear quarter panels and then they may be able to get away with a rear fascia change.

Hood and front fascia are already available from their supplier. Not much change on how it mounts.

This sounds viable to me.

How can you say that the hood & fascia are already available when you haven't seen what, if any, the refresh is going to be? And even if they are available from somewhere, how do you know what sort of production volume that supplier is geared up for? There is a massive difference between a few hundred a year and a few hundred a day.

Anything that can affect a cars crash worthiness or fuel economy costs a lot of money. Thats on top of the validation costs that they need to run for any component. And of course, the tooling cost. Even a light refresh quickly becomes a lot more expensive than you'd think.



Think about the business case ... if you do nothing, you have no increased cost but a slight decrease in sales. Doing a refresh will lead to improved sales, but add cost. The question becomes, how big would the gap between the two be? And do you make enough on each extra sale (after subtracting the build cost, and incentives and other per-unit costs) to cover the cost of doing the refresh.

For example, lets say it costs $100M to do a very light refresh on the Camaro. This leads to sales going up by, I don't know how about 15k units per year over what it would have originally done. Profit per vehicle is something like $2500. GM sells this refreshed Camaro for 2 years. That works out to ... $75M in extra revenue, leaving them $25M short of their initial investment. In other words, they'd be better off doing nothing for those 2 years and taking the sales hit. And I'm probably being conservative on the cost here, and generous on the profit. Replace GM with Ford, and Camaro with Mustang if you like ... the numbers won't change

[wbt]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

How can you say that the hood & fascia are already available when you haven't seen what, if any, the refresh is going to be? And even if they are available from somewhere, how do you know what sort of production volume that supplier is geared up for? There is a massive difference between a few hundred a year and a few hundred a day.

Anything that can affect a cars crash worthiness or fuel economy costs a lot of money. Thats on top of the validation costs that they need to run for any component. And of course, the tooling cost. Even a light refresh quickly becomes a lot more expensive than you'd think.



Think about the business case ... if you do nothing, you have no increased cost but a slight decrease in sales. Doing a refresh will lead to improved sales, but add cost. The question becomes, how big would the gap between the two be? And do you make enough on each extra sale (after subtracting the build cost, and incentives and other per-unit costs) to cover the cost of doing the refresh.

For example, lets say it costs $100M to do a very light refresh on the Camaro. This leads to sales going up by, I don't know how about 15k units per year over what it would have originally done. Profit per vehicle is something like $2500. GM sells this refreshed Camaro for 2 years. That works out to ... $75M in extra revenue, leaving them $25M short of their initial investment. In other words, they'd be better off doing nothing for those 2 years and taking the sales hit. And I'm probably being conservative on the cost here, and generous on the profit. Replace GM with Ford, and Camaro with Mustang if you like ... the numbers won't change

Because we are talking about existing GT500 parts. They have already been tested. The parts are already in production. The parts bolt directly to the existing Mustang platform.

There is nothing special going on with tooling or testing. It would be very economical for Ford to make the cosmetic changes spoken of.

Why did Ford release the 2010 platform with cosmetic changes yet keep the drivetrain from the '05-'09 models? Why not wait another year and do it all at once in 2011?

Ford is agile. This is something their competitors are lacking giving them the competitive edge atm. I think GM is headed in the right direction but that is a few years down the road.

[hv92]

60,000 for a GT500?!?! WTF?