Tag, you wouldn't do this would you?

[Mindz]

I watched the skateboarding one again and the only thing the cameraman says is "sir, it's ok, it's ok" The other kids were being brats, and I see it. I didn't think the guy who's pov we're watching was interferring. if that one sentence is enough to be put in cuffs, ouch.

I know you wouldn't do something as rash as the first one. The second one I was just wondering about the cameraman who was "interferring" apparantly.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

And that skateboarding cop......ARHAAAA! Did he seriously just start choking a girl...for being "in violation of city orders"??!?!?!? She didn't even say anything. It was the other kid F'n him off....WTF?!?! He needs to be put down...like, dog kennel put down.

Dragon...I RESPECTFULLY disagree w/ you. Do you think she just said, "here...choke me?" She was part of the problem, officer said your under arrest, she ran, he caught her, she (camera couldn't get it all) probably resisted and he put her in a headlock. Choking is when you put your hands around someones neck. Do you REALLY want to compare him to a dog in a kennel???????????????????????????????????????????? ???????

Originally Posted by RichieFlorida

Police brutality against kids and blacks is just as bad today as it was 30 years ago. I can't really comment on this...because I haven't seen any "brutality" cases since I've been on the force. The University of Florida and the College student tasered this week is another example.

Absolutely not. In what I saw, he was in his right to talk. But, whoever was in charge stopped his interview. Police don't just approach and remove people in a public event unless they are asked to do so by someone holding the event (or something much worse). Once that is done, police have the right to escort them out. I could start by saying Disrupting a meeting...

Didn't he post it online that he was going to do this?? Which would also mean that it was premeditated....meaning there was an intent to disrupt the meeting. Sorry...but when police try to escort you out and you resist, expect to have problems. If he pulled away from me like that, I would have had him on the ground right there. Those officers just kept pulling on his arms...I couldn't believe they didn't take him down right there. That was an act of restraint. Oh, and ..."Don't taze me, bro!"... You wouldn't have gotten tazed if you had complied like she asked THREE TIMES.

I live in Citrus County and last year with had the Inverness police dept disbanded and currently they are voting on the Crystal River Police Dept. to be also taken over by the Sheriffs Dept. The amount of complaints is incredible. There speeding guns were not recalibrated for an excessive amount of time. Not sure how many months constitute excessive but many tickets were written in the school zone that were reversed several months later. This and 100 other legitimate complaints is enough to make the city council here vote on another city police dept being given the boot. A professional sheriffs dept is the only way to go. I am sincere in saying I'm sorry your local police department is having problems. IMO, the more officers, the better for the community. Hopefully, it'll work out for the better.

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

im not saying that i think cops should get away with everything, but there are always 2 sides to a story.

THANK YOU!!!

Originally Posted by Mindz

I agree with you up until a point. The kid with the camera was handcuffed for doing what? Obviously he wasn't skateboarding in the presence of the cop otherwise the cop would have gone after all of them right off the bat. They were walking with their boards in hand. That's the part of the video I'm concerned with.

Kid w/ the camera should have been let go. Handcuffing isn't really a problem because it's only a detention. Handcuffs can always come off. If you notice, the problems continued for the officer....one person after the next. To settle everything, he began cuffing the ones sticking around who couldn't take a hint to leave. It's for officer safety. Now, taking that kid to jail or giving him a citation??? Hell no.

Originally Posted by Mindz

Like I said, I agree with you. The only one that I feel was treated unfairly is the camera kid. The kid being choked may have swung but the cop should have choked the kid until he was able to put cuffs on them.

If he swung, you also have assault on a public servant. Now the offense classification is getting up there! He had the right to use physical force to subdue the kid. As I've said before, once those handcuffs are on, that's it....that's all she wrote, folks.





BTW, I used to skateboard when I was a kid too. I had problems being told to leave places. Guess what? I was polite and obeyed. And...I NEVER backtalked anyone!

I have continuous problems w/ skateboarders in my area. I get at least one call on them a day. I've warned them politely time and time again. The majority listen, but there's a few that spoil it for all of them. So, I told them I was going to start writing them tickets if they refused to listen. Word got around. They didn't listen. I wrote the first ticket for a kid doing tricks on a tricycle out in the roadway in traffic. Again, word got around. Still waiting to see if they listen...appears to have worked for the time being...

and I hate writing tickets...

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by Mindz

I watched the skateboarding one again and the only thing the cameraman says is "sir, it's ok, it's ok" The other kids were being brats, and I see it. I didn't think the guy who's pov we're watching was interferring. if that one sentence is enough to be put in cuffs, ouch.

I know you wouldn't do something as rash as the first one. The second one I was just wondering about the cameraman who was "interferring" apparantly.

It's not one sentence that puts him in cuffs. And, getting put in cuffs isn't the end of the day. He's not going to jail. Imagine doing a powerpoint presentation for example. Someone gives you tons of info to put together. You plug it all into a computer only to have a virus that begins to delete all of the work. It continues and you can't stop it unless you unplug the computer. You need to get control of the situation. You unplug the computer and everything stops...info saved from here on out.

The officer, in a sense, did the same thing. It was obvious he didn't have control of the situation. He tried to break away from the crowd which followed him. The situation continued and he tried to stop those who kept interfering (the girl and boy). Then, to make sure all was okay, detained the camera kid as well...a temporary deal to ensure safety.

You might not think that was okay or right. I understand that you might not agree. But, the situation had to be neutralized in a sense. That's what he did and it stopped the situation.

IMO, the cameraman wasn't interfering.

[Mindz]

the last sentence is all I needed to read. I agree that the cop did the right thing with the other two. I have said it a bunch of times but I was only concerned about what he did to the camera kid. Other than that I think it was a good job on his part dealing with the 5-6 kids.

[TAG UR IT]

^Cool. Sorry...I get carried away sometimes in my responses...hehe.

[Mr. Wyndham]

YOU! What about me, I freaking compared a Cop to a Dog... :slice:

Sorry 'bout that btw...I could actually feel the blood rising in my head. All I saw of those two videos was that girl being "strangled" (in my head)...

I have a real problem with people harming our girls/women...I know she was talking, and instigated the situation, but I didn't see that while I was uber-pissed...Sorry, TAG.

[bcannan354]

TAG That's for all of your input.

Now, here is my take on the whole thing. Too often we see video of something disturbing, keep in mind this video does not show the entire situation. Something lead up to the events that are on tape. I feel that an officer has to protect himself, and sometimes he or she has to make a split second decision that could affect his or her life. These people are trained professionals and the great things they do are not all over the headlines like the bad things. Remember, you usually don't have a run in with the police for following the law.

Keep in mind I know that some police officers don't follow the law, but the vast majority do and I THANK YOU for the job you people do.

Oh, BTW, I thought he was a little rough with the female. A little un-called for.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I've learned my life lesson for the week:

With the advent of new technology, like, video, and movies..."believe half of what you see, and question the other half."~My Father...It's so true it's scary. unless you(me included) were there before it happened, and after everything was over...There is always more to the strory that you(and me) do not know about.

The shooting by the Vette video...it's my belief that that video was taken by those in-car video cameras that police use...so obviously there was more, that the owner, and editor of the footage didn't want us to see. He/She just wanted to highlight the police officer shooting for what was apparently no reason.

I'm a better person because of this thread, Thank you Mindz, and TAG. and everyone else who added.

* I really have to clear my head before I post...:slice:*

[TAG UR IT]

Dragon, don't worry bout it. We all jump to conclusions at one point or another. I'm guilty of it too. Things get under our skin. But, after taking a step back, we realize there's more to it than meets the eye.

Bcannon, you're welcome. I love conversations like these. The only problem is that I don't get to post everything I'd like to say because it would take all day...you'd probably also get bored reading it! But, this is the line of work I'm in. It's what my brother does (Game Warden actually), my father did (FBI, Police, Director of Homeland Security - California), and my grandfather did (Chicago police - retired at the rank of Captain). It runs in our blood. We are good people who like to give back "get the bad guy."