Alabama governor signs nation's toughest immigration law.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Uhm... he's right...

I have the breakdown of what it costs my company to do business in CA Vs FL... the difference is astounding. it's not even close...


And to answer the AZ question, the difference is in the word MUST. in AZ the LEO Can detain them. And the business issue of hiring illegals is a little different. In AZ as long as they produce the right documents the company is fine.

I don't know if they have to use that database... My dad runs dry wall crews and they get "audited" pretty regularly... as long as the company can prove they didn't do it knowingly they are usually good.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

BTW, it won't last too long. This is unconstitutional.
You cannot detain annyone based on race, gender, sex, or age.

But you can based on illegal entry into the country...

you don't really believe this is a Race thing do you?

[AZCamaroFan]

Here in AZ business's can actually lose their license for repeated violations.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

But if they are already stopped for another crime??? That is the premise of the whole thing. If a Police officer stops you for a violation and you cannot produce identification isn't that a promlem? Every time i have been stopped i have been asked for my ID.
The police dont have enough time or manpower to just stop people for no reason
I have no problem giving my id. Bottom line is the people against aren't really afraid of discrimination. They're afraid of more illegals being sent back.

EXACTLY!

if you are not breaking the law. you will not get stopped.

If you are not riding in a van with expired plates stuffed with 10 construction workers, (keep in mind I have a Latin surname.... and still have family in Mexico) you won't get pulled over and asked to provide ID..

this is the spirit of the law.

[AZCamaroFan]

And that very scenario happens ALL the time here. Along with 50 people stuffed/stored in drop houses.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by irocnroll

Where does the money come from to process them and push them through the system? Not to mention you are give the officers power to decided when or when not to haul someone in. This is going to bring up some racial suits, I can see it now.

Again, I haven't read the bill. So I can only surmize.

But, illegals dont' pay taxes. And they DO claim welfare. Even here in Alabama. My best freind is an Alabama State Trooper. They simply turn the illegals over to BP. YES, for some reason we have a lot of border patrol here in Alabama. At least my area. So our local guys catch them and turn them over to the feds.

And let's remember, they are ILLEGAL. We catch drug dealers, users, thieves and such and process them and put them in jail. And that cost money too. It's the cost of law enforcement. I'd prefer to spend our tax money on that stuff, and this new bill, than put another Fing million dollar statue in a stupid park. Or all of the other spending we do frivilously. But processing them is easy. Hand them to the feds. MAKE them do there jobs. I think the bill will not cost anytnhing in the long run. Maybe cost Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, and beyond some money. If the feds won't do their job, it's up to the states. The way it should be anyway.

[Scott@Bjorn3D]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Sorry, but the two have very little to do with immigration.

Well it does have allot to do with it. Illegals with out medical insurance show up in our hospitals to get treated. Right now the law says you have to treat them. Well that cost gets billed to everyone else. Schools having illegal children in them burden our system. And crime I see it right here allot in just our town by illegals.

You want to live in the USA do it the right way and enter legally and pay for the services you use.

[UT-Engineer]

Isn't everyone in this country illigal?

[AZCamaroFan]

Nope. not illigal.

I saw a report on CNN a couple years ago about illegals in the south. They talked to a contractor. He said he just couldn't compete because other contractor's would hire illegals and pay them low wages under the table. He wouldn't.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by UT-Enginner

Isn't everyone in this country illigal?

Immigrants? yes... Illegal? no.

[Scott@Bjorn3D]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

Nope. not illigal.

I saw a report on CNN a couple years ago about illegals in the south. They talked to a contractor. He said he just couldn't compete because other contractor's would hire illegals and pay them low wages under the table. He wouldn't.

And those jobs could of been done by Americans. I for one would spend more on an American made product than one produced in China.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by UT-Enginner

Isn't everyone in this country illigal?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

Nope. not illigal.

I saw a report on CNN a couple years ago about illegals in the south. They talked to a contractor. He said he just couldn't compete because other contractor's would hire illegals and pay them low wages under the table. He wouldn't.

I have a freind who had a roofing business. After Hurricane Ivan he was getting a lot of business. Obviously. All of a sudden he couldn't get any. The illegals were taking it all up. Doing a house avery two days on average and charging Half what my freind did. So my freind had to play the game. He'd bid a job, promise a time frame and HIRE ILLEGALS to work. He had several crews of illegals working for him. It was the only way to go. He had no choice because he had to bid low as hell and to make a profit, he had to hire low as well. He closed up shop went out of business but wasn't real bummed. He was tired of the BS anyway. A few years later he became a State Trooper.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

But if they are already stopped for another crime??? That is the premise of the whole thing. If a Police officer stops you for a violation and you cannot produce identification isn't that a promlem? Every time i have been stopped i have been asked for my ID.
The police dont have enough time or manpower to just stop people for no reason
I have no problem giving my id. Bottom line is the people against aren't really afraid of discrimination. They're afraid of more illegals being sent back.

The way I read it, officers will stop people if they seem to be illegal immigrants. If they are stopped for a violation and can't produce id, it's a different story.

Originally Posted by irocnroll

Where does the money come from to process them and push them through the system? Not to mention you are give the officers power to decided when or when not to haul someone in. This is going to bring up some racial suits, I can see it now.

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

But you can based on illegal entry into the country...

you don't really believe this is a Race thing do you?

Only time you can detain someone for suspicion of illegal immigration is within certain amount of miles from an international border (forgot the distance). Or an acting international border, such as an international airport.

Tell me, how are officers going to decide who "looks" like an illegal immigrant?

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

EXACTLY!

if you are not breaking the law. you will not get stopped.

If you are not riding in a van with expired plates stuffed with 10 construction workers, (keep in mind I have a Latin surname.... and still have family in Mexico) you won't get pulled over and asked to provide ID..

this is the spirit of the law.

That's a different story. That's not how I'm reading this.

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

You want to live in the USA do it the right way and enter legally and pay for the services you use.

Only thing I agree with you on.
But people say that is if it's so damn easy to just go get naturalized an become a citizen.

My uncle, who's father, mother, and all his sisters are U.S. Citizens, just now got his citizenship. AFTER 20+ YEARS OF WAIT. Only because he was not born on this side of the border like the rest of his family.
Tell me how fair that is? Entire families seperated for decades because of this.
The truth is if ICE doesn't change their citizenship proccess, illegal immigration is going to continue at a rapid pace. The problem needs to be fixed from the source.