Cadillac ATS to show how much GM learned from the BMW 3 Series

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by shank0668

like?

Supposedly they're having problems with getting the electronics to work.

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Supposedly they're having problems with getting the electronics to work.

Not as major as I was expecting.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Supposedly they're having problems with getting the electronics to work.

OOOhhhhh, that's right!

I forgot I had read the Alpha-based cars were to feature the General's newest electronics suites...nothing ever goes easy, though - they'll figure it out.

[FenwickHockey65]

And of course, weight. Approaching 4k pounds supposedly.

However we are hearing that they're looking for light-weight composite solutions.

[2ndgenz28]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

OOOhhhhh, that's right!

I forgot I had read the Alpha-based cars were to feature the General's newest electronics suites...nothing ever goes easy, though - they'll figure it out.

bought form Toyota???

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

bought form Toyota???

Um...No.

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

And of course, weight. Approaching 4k pounds supposedly.

However we are hearing that they're looking for light-weight composite solutions.

That's tough to believe, even for a moment....at least not on the short wheelbase...maybe the CTS version?...which would still be an improvement.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Um...No.




That's tough to believe, even for a moment....at least not on the short wheelbase...maybe the CTS version?...which would still be an improvement.

If memory serves me correctly Alpha is not an "All New" chasis, wasn't it parts of Zeta and Sigma put together. And Alpha was on the drawing boards before bankruptcy, neither Zeta or Sigma are light wieght.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by truth411

If memory serves me correctly Alpha is not an "All New" chasis, wasn't it parts of Zeta and Sigma put together. And Alpha was on the drawing boards before bankruptcy, neither Zeta or Sigma are light wieght.

From what I've read it's all-new. Developed to improve upon the weaknesses of both Zeta and Sigma - destined to replace them both. I remember reading something similar to what you're saying -- but I don't think it was about the Alpha platform. I might be wrong, but I don't think so...

EDIT: And Zeta is lighter than Sigma, parts-for-parts...or so I read. It just wasn't refined enough for Caddy to adopt it.

[FenwickHockey65]

Sigma started out as Holden's RWD platform, then Cadillac took it. Holden ended up having to carve out another RWD platform, which ended up as Zeta.

[dgformula2k]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

And of course, weight. Approaching 4k pounds supposedly.

However we are hearing that they're looking for light-weight composite solutions.

This is what I've been expecting. Once they have to package-protect for a high HP V8 the weight will shoot up. I'll bet an Alpha-based Camaro ends up being maybe 100-200 lbs. lighter than the current one. Certainly not the 3500 lb. car everyone is hoping for.

[DGthe3]

I can see how a CTS-V with a supercharged V8 would easily come to 4000 lbs. But not an ATS with a 4 pot.

[8cd03gro]

4k lbs? I hope that's an exaggeration on somebody's part. . . Weight is the name of the game now. It has the most significant all around impact. Acceleration, handling, fuel efficiency ~ all benefit from weight reduction in a big way.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

4k lbs? I hope that's an exaggeration on somebody's part. . . Weight is the name of the game now. It has the most significant all around impact. Acceleration, handling, fuel efficiency ~ all benefit from weight reduction in a big way.

You know what has a bigger impact? Compounding regulations and consumer demand for "gadgetry" making weight almost uncontrollable....

(Very much sarcasm, btw...)

[2ndgenz28]

I don't mind a tank, long as it can haul a**