Inside Line Genesis Coupe Full Test - Page 2

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-01-2009, 03:08 PM

It sounds like a nice little car....it also sounds like it's going to get it's ass handed to it by the Camaro in a couple months. No fan-boying, here...those times aren't super-impressive for $30,000, AND -- that's the best it can do in terms of trim-levels...the V6 Camaro should be able to replicate all those numbers for less $$ (the CTS can't be used as a reliable comparison, too many differences).....as for the upper-level Camaro -- the SS will just annihilate it for a couple thousand more.

Still -- I think that's a nice little car. Almost like toned-down, 4-seat 370z.

If only it weren't ugly as sin.....

*The_Blur* · 03-01-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It sounds like a nice little car....it also sounds like it's going to get it's ass handed to it by the Camaro in a couple months. No fan-boying, here...those times aren't super-impressive for $30,000, AND -- that's the best it can do in terms of trim-levels...the V6 Camaro should be able to replicate all those numbers for less $$ (the CTS can't be used as a reliable comparison, too many differences).....as for the upper-level Camaro -- the SS will just annihilate it for a couple thousand more.

Still -- I think that's a nice little car. Almost like toned-down, 4-seat 370z.

If only it weren't ugly as sin.....

It's ugly.

It will get beat by a Camaro LS that costs thousands less.

It's really ugly.

The Camaro SS will sink its battleship.

Did I mention how ugly it is? It's pretty incredibly ugly.

ArcAngel · 03-01-2009, 03:58 PM

I don't know about your 6.5 sec 0-60 time ^^^ the camaro is gonna pull 5.8

TheClassicCarKid · 03-01-2009, 04:14 PM

How is that the bes rear wheel drive sport coupe for the money?
I'd take a Mustang GT over that

ArcAngel · 03-01-2009, 04:15 PM

i would take anything over that

stovt001 · 03-01-2009, 05:11 PM

Edmunds 0-60 time seems to be an anomaly. Most others I've seen are deep into the 5 second range. And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN WE STOP ASSUMING $30K IS THE BASE PRICE? That's a V6 with a leather interior and all the boxes checked. Take a 2LT Camaro, check all the option boxes, including the sport suspension and brembo brakes...oh wait, you can't get those things on the V6 Camaro. You can get a V6 Genesis Coupe for the low $20Ks, and you can get a V6 Camaro for the low $20Ks. Deal with it. Admit it. It reduces torque on hard upshifts to protect the drivetrain. The Camaro skips 2nd and 3rd gears to get "extra" fuel economy. I too think the Genesis coupe is pretty ugly, but I know just as many people who think the Camaro is ugly. I guess styling is one of those subjective things...

stovt001 · 03-01-2009, 05:14 PM

Also, I'd like to point out that this photo illustrates that the seats will actually hold you in place in turns:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../photoId=76472

Also note the Genesis coupe has a curb weight closer to what a performance car should actually weigh.

I don't love it, but I sure do respect it.

lil_chef · 03-01-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

Edmunds 0-60 time seems to be an anomaly. Most others I've seen are deep into the 5 second range. And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN WE STOP ASSUMING $30K IS THE BASE PRICE? That's a V6 with a leather interior and all the boxes checked. Take a 2LT Camaro, check all the option boxes, including the sport suspension and brembo brakes...oh wait, you can't get those things on the V6 Camaro. You can get a V6 Genesis Coupe for the low $20Ks, and you can get a V6 Camaro for the low $20Ks. Deal with it. Admit it. It reduces torque on hard upshifts to protect the drivetrain. The Camaro skips 2nd and 3rd gears to get "extra" fuel economy. I too think the Genesis coupe is pretty ugly, but I know just as many people who think the Camaro is ugly. I guess styling is one of those subjective things...

the base price for the V6 is around 25k, and 30k is to get the track option where you get the brembos and suspension and tires. without that track package the numbers would be even worse

stovt001 · 03-01-2009, 05:21 PM

Edmunds botched their numbers. Everyone else has gotten better, and I know this really doesn't mean much but if you bench race the stats you have to figure the real numbers have to be much better. You can't get a track package on the Camaro V6 at any price, and I imagine the more reasonable weight pays big dividends in the actual driving experience as well.

GatorBlue371 · 03-01-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

Edmunds botched their numbers. Everyone else has gotten better, and I know this really doesn't mean much but if you bench race the stats you have to figure the real numbers have to be much better. You can't get a track package on the Camaro V6 at any price, and I imagine the more reasonable weight pays big dividends in the actual driving experience as well.

I say this with as much respect as i can muster, but you are so wrong here.

Yes the V6 Genesis coupe with the track package and brembos and shiny plastic everywhere will keep up with a base level Camaro, maybe even beat it around a track. The weight advantage helps with this. However... By the time you GET that car into the leather, brembo, ''sport suspension'' area, you've already spent as much as if you were to get a base 370z or close to an SS. You can argue all day long that the car 'starts' down low like the base Camaro, but it comes with a sonata engine and a crappy suspension. base for base, the Camaro wins. Track package vs. SS the Camaro wins.

You'd have to be STUPID to take a tricked out 30k+ Genesis coupe over ANY 370z or ANY SS which is exactly what you'd be doing if you bought one of these.

stovt001 · 03-01-2009, 06:12 PM

It depends if you want leather or not. If you do, then your Camaro SS will run you about $35K, same for the 370Z. If you don't want leather, then the SS is down to $30K and the genesis is cheaper. Also, with less weight having less power isn't as much as a liability as it is made out to be, especially when your thinking isn't limited to straight 1/4 miles.

GatorBlue371 · 03-01-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

It depends if you want leather or not. If you do, then your Camaro SS will run you about $35K, same for the 370Z. If you don't want leather, then the SS is down to $30K and the genesis is cheaper. Also, with less weight having less power isn't as much as a liability as it is made out to be, especially when your thinking isn't limited to straight 1/4 miles.

Less weight doesn't mean much when its loosing to 60 by nearly 2 whole seconds. That's a jailhouse experience right there.

stovt001 · 03-01-2009, 06:20 PM

And as I've said before, only Edmunds is posting crappy 0-60 times. All others were deep in the 5 second range. And that's still thinking only in terms of straight line acceleration.

GatorBlue371 · 03-01-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

And as I've said before, only Edmunds is posting crappy 0-60 times. All others were deep in the 5 second range. And that's still thinking only in terms of straight line acceleration.

Ok so how do you want to think about it?

Straight Line : Camaro SS

Not Straight Line : 370z

The Genesis just seems like a watered down RX-8 that is too fat and doesnt rev high enough

03-01-2009, 03:08 PM	#15
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	It sounds like a nice little car....it also sounds like it's going to get it's ass handed to it by the Camaro in a couple months. No fan-boying, here...those times aren't super-impressive for $30,000, AND -- that's the best it can do in terms of trim-levels...the V6 Camaro should be able to replicate all those numbers for less $$ (the CTS can't be used as a reliable comparison, too many differences).....as for the upper-level Camaro -- the SS will just annihilate it for a couple thousand more. Still -- I think that's a nice little car. Almost like toned-down, 4-seat 370z. If only it weren't ugly as sin..... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

03-01-2009, 03:58 PM	#17
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	I don't know about your 6.5 sec 0-60 time ^^^ the camaro is gonna pull 5.8 __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

03-01-2009, 04:15 PM	#19
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	i would take anything over that __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

03-01-2009, 05:11 PM	#20
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Edmunds 0-60 time seems to be an anomaly. Most others I've seen are deep into the 5 second range. And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN WE STOP ASSUMING $30K IS THE BASE PRICE? That's a V6 with a leather interior and all the boxes checked. Take a 2LT Camaro, check all the option boxes, including the sport suspension and brembo brakes...oh wait, you can't get those things on the V6 Camaro. You can get a V6 Genesis Coupe for the low $20Ks, and you can get a V6 Camaro for the low $20Ks. Deal with it. Admit it. It reduces torque on hard upshifts to protect the drivetrain. The Camaro skips 2nd and 3rd gears to get "extra" fuel economy. I too think the Genesis coupe is pretty ugly, but I know just as many people who think the Camaro is ugly. I guess styling is one of those subjective things... __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

03-01-2009, 05:14 PM	#21
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Also, I'd like to point out that this photo illustrates that the seats will actually hold you in place in turns: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../photoId=76472 Also note the Genesis coupe has a curb weight closer to what a performance car should actually weigh. I don't love it, but I sure do respect it. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

03-01-2009, 05:21 PM	#23
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Edmunds botched their numbers. Everyone else has gotten better, and I know this really doesn't mean much but if you bench race the stats you have to figure the real numbers have to be much better. You can't get a track package on the Camaro V6 at any price, and I imagine the more reasonable weight pays big dividends in the actual driving experience as well. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

03-01-2009, 06:12 PM	#25
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	It depends if you want leather or not. If you do, then your Camaro SS will run you about $35K, same for the 370Z. If you don't want leather, then the SS is down to $30K and the genesis is cheaper. Also, with less weight having less power isn't as much as a liability as it is made out to be, especially when your thinking isn't limited to straight 1/4 miles. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

03-01-2009, 06:20 PM	#27
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	And as I've said before, only Edmunds is posting crappy 0-60 times. All others were deep in the 5 second range. And that's still thinking only in terms of straight line acceleration. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

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